Raoul Moat Rambo Montage
Good idea but it's a bit long.
Echo Sooty. The idea is good but you've rushed it out. With some better TV footage interspersed with the Rambo scenes I think you could be on to something funny but this falls flat and is too long.
Too soon. Too obvious. Too insensitive. And I got about twenty seconds in. Good idea??? No. With better footage interspersed??? What the .... ?
Gotta say I'd rather see Moat slated and mocked then those hideous tribute sites. He was an odious man who commited some vile acts. But he's also proof that locking up/punishng people doesn't always work.
I don't think it's too long and think it's well put together.
Quote: sootyj @ July 14 2010, 8:28 PM BSTGotta say I'd rather see Moat slated and mocked then those hideous tribute sites. He was an odious man who commited some vile acts. But he's also proof that locking up/punishng people doesn't always work.
Slating is one thing cheap jokes are another, People were hurt people were killed. Moat himself was not dealt kindly in life.
Quote: Marc P @ July 14 2010, 9:00 PM BSTSlating is one thing cheap jokes are another, People were hurt people were killed. Moat himself was not dealt kindly in life.
Agreed
True but let's assume that something will be said, as the fella in orange seems to have hit a nerve.
Now assuming you discard sensible, sober debate as there is so little of it.
You're left with.
1 Why doesn't Moat play Farmville? Cos he hates the pigs (not my joke)
2 And f**kwits turning him into a modern day Robin hood and congratulating him for near orphaning his kids.
Then I go for the first. If you think the assume of mockery leads to sense, then Mark your wrong. What you're left is far more dangerous.
I wish it wasn't that way, but it is.
Quote: Marc P @ July 14 2010, 9:00 PM BSTSlating is one thing cheap jokes are another, People were hurt people were killed. Moat himself was not dealt kindly in life.
I think this isn't a cheap joke (if it's the video your referrng to). I think it's quite a clever joke (wish I'd thought of it).
Quote: sootyj @ July 14 2010, 9:06 PM BSTTrue but let's assume that something will be said, as the fella in orange seems to have hit a nerve.
Now assuming you discard sensible, sober debate as there is so little of it.
You're left with.
1 Why doesn't Moat play Farmville? Cos he hates the pigs (not my joke)
2 And f**kwits turning him into a modern day Robin hood and congratulating him for near orphaning his kids.
Then I go for the first. If you think the assume of mockery leads to sense, then Mark your wrong. What you're left is far more dangerous.
I wish it wasn't that way, but it is.
SJ I don't know farmville. I agree with 2. I don't like cheap jokes of a real human tragedy on so many levels. And neither do you by the way. If comedy cheapens human experience.. it can f**k off in my opinion. You don't make cheap jokes as far as I can tell... and neither do you want to. Humour.. good humour.. explores the human condition... it doesn't exploit the shit side of it. Or we all become JD's and the like/
Well I don't agree with N0 2 I agree with your point by the way/
There are multiple paradigms of truth in the Moat story, self contained memes of modern day experience in the UK.
Some being for me,
1 A man can be an anti hero for killing people, for acting in an earlier more primitive mode of behaviour.
2 Some men feel so distanced from their masculinity that they identify pathological violence as heroic.
3 Our current obsessive detaining criminals, along wth ever more restrictive postcustodial monitoring. Can allow a single crime to ruin a life.
4 Fame/recognition is rapidly becoming the only mark of success.
And far more. But I couldn't think of anyway to express these ideas except through comedy. The non-humerous response for me is the dangerous one.
He was mentally ill at the time, clearly, and he was allowed out after expressing his intentions to do what he did. We failed him, he failed us and particularly those close to him. Nobody can be proud about any of this.
Was he mentally ill? Or was he a very angry man who was disinhibited? Was he sane when he shot his girlfriend , but not afterwards?
For us to automatically assume some one is mentally because they act in a way he dislike. Is the attitudes of the Soviet Union.
Quote: sootyj @ July 14 2010, 9:18 PM BSTI couldn't think of anyway to express these ideas except through comedy. The non-humerous response for me is the dangerous one.
Comedy is good - knee jerk response isn't, in these kind of tragedies - Challenge yourself -if you feel something needs to be said through comedy work on it. Like I said it's too soon for cheap text it on your mobile kind of jokes.
Quote: sootyj @ July 14 2010, 9:27 PM BSTWas he mentally ill?
I don't know... lets examine the evidence?
YES! The balance of his mind was disturbed, Doesn't justify what he did, but I guess ultimately he didn't either.
Quote: Marc P @ July 14 2010, 9:31 PM BSTComedy is good - knee jerk response isn't, in these kind of tragedies - Challenge yourself -if you feel something needs to be said through comedy work on it. Like I said it's too soon for cheap text it on your mobile kind of jokes.
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The moment for comedy is the moment something happens. Waiting is moral cowardice of the worst variety. I always wander if jokes not invective had followed 9/11 if 100,000s would still be alive? A late joke is utterly, utterly pointless and weak.
Quote: Marc P @ July 14 2010, 9:31 PM BSTI don't know... lets examine the evidence?
YES! The balance of his mind was disturbed, Doesn't justify what he did, but I guess ultimately he didn't either.
There is no evidence of that. There is evidence he was a highly brutal, controlling man. There are 1000s of people in the UK who have mental health issues who don't gun people down.
Your lack of humour seems to be revealing your prejudice.