Quote: zooo @ June 26 2010, 10:33 PM BSTJust ask God what happens at the end. He's bound to know.
He prefers Hole In The Wall.
Oh, and giving little kids cancer.
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Quote: Nil Putters @ June 26 2010, 10:35 PM BSTHe prefers Hole In The Wall.
I watched that tonight and rather enojoyed it. 
It was better with Winton.
Quote: Nil Putters @ June 26 2010, 10:53 PM BSTIt was better with Winton.
Quote: chipolata @ June 26 2010, 10:10 PM BSTMmm...
Okay, as zooo said, it was a lot of fun. A jaunty little romp that zipped along at a nice pace. Some nice stuff in it, including the fossilised dalek and the doctor deciding he was into fez's.
On the downside, they seemed to throw away the Pandorica. I loved the idea that the Doctor might be imprisoned in it for 2000 years! As it as it was he was only in there five minutes! I wanted him driven to the point of insanity, not let out in the time it takes to boil an egg.
I also didn't like the Doctor zipping about with with his big time glove. Felt a lazy get-out. Moffat had set up a nice idea in the previous episode, yet seemed only capable of getting out of it with a pretty daffy plot device. And talking of annoying loppholes, how come the Earth was able to stumble along for almost 2000 years?
On the subject of the pandorica, how the f**k was it suddenly able to fly? It was built as a prison, yet the Doctor was able to set it's controls for the heart of the Tardis! Whar??? And let's not even get into the fact the cracks were never fully explained.
Overall, there was a distinct lack of jeopardy to the whole thing. I never once felt anyone was in true danger or that it wouldn't be neatly resolved by the end. As Marc P alluded in a previous post, cosiness is never good in drama.
YES
Never mind timey wimey... what about whimsy mimsy - what the F was that about. Does a proper story not count anymore?
Quote: Marc P @ June 26 2010, 11:02 PM BSTYES
Never mind timey wimey... what about whimsy mimsy - what the F was that about. Does a proper story not count anymore?
Seemed like a proper story from where I was sitting! 
Quote: Matthew Stott @ June 26 2010, 11:12 PM BSTSeemed like a proper story from where I was sitting!
In beats what was the story then?
I really loved last weeks episode, one of my favourites from New Who, not just this series. I think I was perhaps expecting an awful lot from this episode, and on first watch I found it quite average, an anti-climax to the fantastic lead in episode, like most of the finales really. However, on re-watch I enjoyed it a whole lot more, taking it for what it was rather than the thrill a minute ride I had expected, and I like the fact they have carried on the arc of River and who made the tardis explode.
Saying all that, there was a fair bit in this episode which doesn't really hold up. The Doctor escaping from the Pandorica and then going back in time to give Rory his Sonic which then enables his escape. I think that's a fairly basic paradox? Also, a prison that holds the most feared being in the cosmos just being opened by a blast from the sonic and then a touch from a little girl? Why didn't it open in the first part when the Doctor blasted it several times with his sonic? Earth not being destroyed when everything else had been, people being saved from death simply because Amy remembers them, and then to top it off, Amy has just had her parents returned to her and she immediately runs off with the Doctor again, erm right, okay. I'm also slightly confused as to how the Doctor still has his Tardis. It was destroyed and the Doctor then went into the void alone, but perhaps I've missed something here?
As for the Pandorica being the savior, with first keeping the Doctor alive when the rest of the universe perishes and then rebooting it, I'm not going to criticize that until we discover who made it. I think it's possible that the Doctor himself made it at some point to make everything right, but who knows. If it was indeed the "Silence" baddy, then he made a right cock up.
And before you ask Marc, no this wasn't aimed at six year olds, but this may possibly have been to it's detriment. I'm not completely sure how any child under the age of 10 could really have understood it, I don't think I have entirely.
Quote: Marc P @ June 26 2010, 11:17 PM BSTIn beats what was the story then?
Will my post be graded Dr P?
I'd have to watch it again as it was all quite involved and I'll no doubt get mixed up. But it was definitely a story of some sort.
The plot seemed vague but pleasingly so.
Quote: chipolata @ June 26 2010, 10:14 PM BSTYes, I understand that. But why did it explode in the first place?
That's one of the subjects of next year's series.
Bill are you God?
Quote: billwill @ June 27 2010, 12:22 AM BSTThat's one of the subjects of next year's series.
Damnation what a wait! What a swizz!
Quote: Marc P @ June 26 2010, 11:02 PM BSTYES
Never mind timey wimey... what about whimsy mimsy - what the F was that about. Does a proper story not count anymore?
Fallout (Prisoner finale), A touch of Brimstone (The Avengers), most of the Martian Chronicles.
Sometimes when a show has enough identity and confidence then the old 3 act structure is uneccesary.
This was a show that said everything it needed to do without anuthing as restrictive as a coherent plot.
Quote: sootyj @ June 27 2010, 12:27 AM BSTBill are you God?
Damnation what a wait! What a swizz!
Nah, they said so effectively at the end & also in the Doctor Who Confidential.
Quote: Matthew Stott @ June 26 2010, 11:41 PM BSTWill my post be graded Dr P?
I'd have to watch it again as it was all quite involved and I'll no doubt get mixed up. But it was definitely a story of some sort.
true - and I will have to watch it again with less vodka and red bull in me. Ahem.
Okay, I had to go and see to the dinner half way through, but did anyone explain why Amy had grown in up England from at least the age of 7 and still have a Scottish accent?