Quote: sootyj @ May 5 2010, 8:44 PM BSTIt screams TOry to me.
One victory the conservatives have made world wide is to convince the working class they are middle class and by extension hate themselve.s
I would have thought the people Chip refers to are more interested in public services, benefits and basically what the state can do for them rather than having a 'keeping up with the Jones'' mentality driving their choice of party.
Quote: The Giggle-o @ May 5 2010, 8:40 PM BSTBut these people will probably still vote Labour, won't they? Because they still know what side their bread is buttered on, to coin a phrase. That description doesn't really scream Tory voter to me, although I am very ignorant.
And you think the Tories will do anything to tackle the growing underclass? They're not proposing anything that different to what Labour have been doing. And in 5 years time the underclass will still be there. Bigger than ever.
Chip you're not Charles Bronson by any chance?
Quote: chipolata @ May 5 2010, 8:54 PM BSTAnd you think the Tories will do anything to tackle the growing underclass? They're not proposing anything that different to what Labour have been doing. And in 5 years time the underclass will still be there. Bigger than ever.
I'm not making comment on whether the Conservative Party will help reduce their numbers, I just don't think the people you described will necessarily vote for them because they still think of the Labour Party as the party for the 'Working Man', which is how they probably think of themselves.
Quote: chipolata @ May 5 2010, 8:14 PM BSTI do believe that. I think it ironic that politicians come in for such contempt from bad-toothed benefit-scrounging binge-drinking Chat-reading profanity-spewing oiks who'd have been bludgeoned to death with a slab in any decent country. I know who I'd rather have living next to me.
Good good then. I agree. Carry on. 
Quote: The Giggle-o @ May 5 2010, 8:40 PM BSTBut these people will probably still vote Labour, won't they? Because they still know what side their bread is buttered on, to coin a phrase. That description doesn't really scream Tory voter to me, although I am very ignorant.
This.
Quote: The Giggle-o @ May 5 2010, 9:05 PM BSTI'm not making comment on whether the Conservative Party will help reduce their numbers, I just don't think the people you described will necessarily vote for them because they still think of the Labour Party as the party for the 'Working Man', which is how they probably think of themselves.
And the people who still think that Labour are for the working class are just plain delusional.
The main political parties are largely indistinguishable from each other. There are no radical differences between them.
Except Cameron is an evil gaymo with no pubes.
Quote: sootyj @ May 5 2010, 8:58 PM BSTChip you're not Charles Bronson by any chance?
You're saying I wear a wig and have Alzheimers? 
Quote: chipolata @ May 5 2010, 10:43 PM BSTThe main political parties are largely indistinguishable from each other. There are no radical differences between them.
That's why they all have to be different colours.
No you're dead.
Quote: chipolata @ May 5 2010, 10:43 PM BSTThe main political parties are largely indistinguishable from each other. There are no radical differences between them.
They may not be as opposing as in the 1980s, say, but I don't recognise this constant "they're all the same" accusation.
Quote: Aaron @ May 5 2010, 10:56 PM BSTThey may not be as opposing as in the 1980s, say, but I don't recognise this constant "they're all the same" accusation.
Feel free to outline all the major differences between. Differences that will lead to palpably different solutions to the problems facing this country.
Quote: Matthew Stott @ May 4 2010, 10:40 PM BSTThe Scala, London.
SUCH a good venue.
I took great joy in correcting the Independent candidate's leaflet yesterday. Is that pathetic?
Well we're f**ked either way, given the economic mess Gordon Brown appears to be about to leave us in, so there won't be huge differences to our lives in the short-to-medium term, I don't think. But look at the approaches to the economy, for example, and it strikes me that there are reasonable contrasts between them all. Gordon wants to get us into even more debt, in some weird belief that it'll make us money, whilst the Conservatives want to start cutting pretty much straight away in order to get the debt down. F**k knows what the Lib Dems want. All they're keen to tell anyone is that they're different.