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Quote: sootyj @ May 2 2010, 9:37 AM BST

Hmm Jewish fundamentalists tend to wear amusing outfits and are fussy about where they eat. Johos and Baptists may be a nuisance knocking on your door but generally neither are in the least bit violent.

And frankly I challenge you to start a fight with a budhist.

We're all the same equivocation is immature bullshit.

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It's a bit immature to think that society can only be divided by religion. Besides, I'm not claiming that violent tendencies would only spring from someone's religion. Just because you can't find violent religious extremism in a certain section of society doesn't mean you won't find people who are wholly unpleasant.

The point of my argument was that you should only judge someone to be a wanker on an individual basis, not blindly argue against an entire culture.

Who's only dividing it by religion?

I'm certainly not much as you seem desperate for me to be doing. If some one is violent because they can't handle booze, religion or politics I would question letting them access any of them. I would also question those who provide them with their fuel.

Temples and off licenses should both be licensed.

Quote: sootyj @ May 2 2010, 9:43 AM BST

It was her treatment as a Christian that stuck with her. I think she put it elegantly,

"The government was concerned about religious tension, they felt it would be easier if we were all muslims."

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It's a rum do.

Organising a rum do will get you 100 lashes or a trumped up death sentence in Saudi.

Quote: sootyj @ May 2 2010, 7:37 AM BST

The Muslim institutions are by and large fractious, lead by the more intolerant and fractious members of their own community and let them down.

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At last someone else has said that.

Anyone can see that the above statemnet is true, and yet what is done about it? Our govt, to be fair to them did ask their leaders to ensure that no hostile anti west propoganda was encouraged and no fundametalism preached - all the press reports suggest that virually no direct discouragement of this has yet happened, but plenty of fake worshippers have gone into mosques with hidden cameras and recorded reigious intolerance and fundementalism being very prevelant if not openly preached.

What we do get from Muslim group leaders is a lot of criticism of our own culture, which I find very distasteful.

Before we all get too liberal about this, Islam is an extreme religion which has intolerance of other faiths and cultures at its very core. There is not one part of the world where Islam coexists with other religions where there has not been tension.

Quote: PhQnix @ May 2 2010, 9:26 AM BST

Not every single Muslim has arrived on these shores trying to impose an Islamic way of life on everybody here, no matter how paranoid you may be. The majority of them are peaceful, tolerant people with no qualms about living in a multicultural society.

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Of course not. But polls have shown that 40 percent of UK Muslims want sharia law in the UK and 30% think people who leave the religion should be executed. That's a healthy chunk of the population and it's made scarier by the fact that the younger citizens are more likely to be radicalized than their parents and grandparents, many of whom emigrated to the UK to get away from that sort of stuff.

Quote: DaButt @ May 2 2010, 12:18 PM BST

40 percent of UK Muslims want sharia law in the UK

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We already have it here, in special courts. Nothing too scary. Maybe that's what at least some of the 40% were thinking of.

Quote: Nogget @ May 2 2010, 12:31 PM BST

We already have it here, in special courts. Nothing too scary.

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You're OK with a woman's testimony being worth half as much as a man's? With men being able to divorce their wives with a single word, while women are unable to divorce a man without his approval?

Sharia law may have a few good points, but it remains a misogynistic, outdated and cruel system that shouldn't be allowed to take root.

Quote: DaButt @ May 2 2010, 12:52 PM BST

You're OK with a woman's testimony being worth half as much as a man's?

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That sounds too bloody much!
Let's see if we can renogiate women's testimony so it's only worth a tenth as much as mens.

Quote: DaButt @ May 2 2010, 12:52 PM BST

You're OK with a woman's testimony being worth half as much as a man's?

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What I mean is that it's not too scary that Sharia Law is restricted to these special courts because:

"...the sharia courts are classified as arbitration tribunals. The rulings of arbitration tribunals are binding in law, provided that both parties in the dispute agree to give it the power to rule on their case. "

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article4749183.ece

So perhaps some of the 40% were saying they wanted this sort of court as an option.

Quote: chipolata @ May 2 2010, 1:02 PM BST

renogiate

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Tee hee.

Is that a real word?

Quote: zooo @ May 2 2010, 1:05 PM BST

Tee hee.

Is that a real word?

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I may have spelt it wrong.

Renegotiate.

The judges on the panel gave the sons twice as much as the daughters, in accordance with sharia. Had the family gone to a normal British court, the daughters would have got equal amounts.

In the six cases of domestic violence, Siddiqi said the judges ordered the husbands to take anger management classes and mentoring from community elders. There was no further punishment.

Sounds fabulous. If you're male.

But even the moderates aren't exactly integrating very well are they. There are a lot of Bangledeshi in Britain and they are considered to be weak, westernised Muslims by extremist factions of the Pakistani communities here. And yet these Bangledeshi communities are incredibly dense in population, their culture swamps a whole area, they do not integrate with other cultures and they have sucked public resources dry.

In Camberley very recently they were denied planning permission for a new mosque. My lordy did they make a fuss about this, claiming to be discriminated against, treated unfairly, the whole lot! And this lot is supposed to be the moderate faction! I think the time has come now to ask every single one of them to leave. Real Brits need their country back.

Quote: chipolata @ May 2 2010, 1:10 PM BST

I may have spelt it wrong.

Renegotiate.

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Ha, I thought you might be cracking out some surprise specialist law knowledge.

Quote: Alfred J Kipper @ May 2 2010, 1:15 PM BST

I think the time has come now to ask every single one of them to leave. Real Brits need their country back.

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Alfred, you are a bit scary in this thread.