So will it be illegal to wear Halloween costumes that cover the face? And what about people wearing ski masks at ski resorts? Banned? Beekeepers shouldn't suffer though, as they tend to avoid public places.
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Well our own religious practices had to calm down as our society became secular. We had penty of nutty ones once. Trouble is, Islam has never had an enlightenment like we have, they never managed to secularise their culture like we did. That is why we can't really live with each other today - they really are subservient to their faith system, they are handcufed to it. They just can't appreciate our need for freedom from ours, in fact they despise us for it.
Quote: Kenneth @ May 1 2010, 10:37 PM BSTSo will it be illegal to wear Halloween costumes that cover the face? And what about people wearing ski masks at ski resorts? Banned? Beekeepers shouldn't suffer though, as they tend to avoid public places.
I doubt that would apply.
But what about a Muslim women who claimed to be dressed as a fancy dress Muslim woman all the time.
Quote: sootyj @ May 1 2010, 9:37 PM BSTThe idea wearing that ridiculous outfit is not a result of massive communal bullying and encouraging women to see them selves as inferior.
Are you saying that women aren't capable of choosing to wear a burka?
Quote: Alfred J Kipper @ May 1 2010, 10:40 PM BSTWell our own religious practices had to calm down as our society became secular. We had penty of nutty ones once. Trouble is, Islam has never had an enlightenment like we have, they never managed to secularise their culture like we did. That is why we can't really live with each other today - they really are subservient to their faith system, they are handcufed to it. They just can't appreciate our need for freedom from ours, in fact they despise us for it.
Yes all muslims think exactly the time.
That's why my Hindu chum wears a nappy and keeps throwing over Empires and my other chum the Jedi just murdered James Earl Jones.
Get some perspective.
Quote: Kevin Murphy @ May 1 2010, 10:44 PM BSTAre you saying that women aren't capable of choosing to wear a burka?
Yes.
Few people are strong enough to standup to truly powerful social indoctrination. If you think you are, then you're deluded.
Quote: Alfred J Kipper @ May 1 2010, 10:40 PM BSTWell our own religious practices had to calm down as our society became secular. We had penty of nutty ones once. Trouble is, Islam has never had an enlightenment like we have, they never managed to secularise their culture like we did. That is why we can't really live with each other today - they really are subservient to their faith system, they are handcufed to it. They just can't appreciate our need for freedom from ours, in fact they despise us for it.
A rather sweeping generalization. Obviously you have never lived in an Islamic country.
Quote: sootyj @ May 1 2010, 10:46 PM BSTYes all muslims think exactly the time.
That's why my Hindu chum wears a nappy and keeps throwing over Empires and my other chum the Jedi just murdered James Earl Jones.
Get some perspective.
Yes.
Few people are strong enough to standup to truly powerful social indoctrination. If you think you are, then you're deluded.
I've know people who help people get deprogrammed from the ultra religious Charedi Jewish sects. They're way nicer than fundamentalist muslims, but it's still a hard and difficult process.
Quote: Kenneth @ May 1 2010, 10:47 PM BSTA rather sweeping generalization. Obviously you have never lived in an Islamic country.
Which one? I worked with a girl who was an Indonesian Christian and it was a damn site less comfortable than being a muslim in the UK.
Quote: Kenneth @ May 1 2010, 10:47 PM BSTA rather sweeping generalization. Obviously you have never lived in an Islamic country.
Which one? I worked with a girl who was an Indonesian Christian and it was a damn site less comfortable than being a muslim in the UK.
Quote: sootyj @ May 1 2010, 10:46 PM BSTFew people are strong enough to standup to truly powerful social indoctrination. If you think you are, then you're deluded.
Quote: sootyj @ May 1 2010, 9:56 PM BSTRestrictive individual dress that removes the ability to be an individual or express one's self is wrong. People who go along with it are indoctrinated and need help.
Should we ban goth attire?
I was referring to not being able to show facial expressions, so no.
The right perspective is that Muslims are outsiders in a traditionally Christian country! That they can't even see that, in flocking here to live, they sully their own beloved faith and principles, will forever be beyond me!
The liberal innability to judge others f**ks up the lives of other people in communities who need our help. That is truly f**ked up.
Quote: Alfred J Kipper @ May 1 2010, 10:53 PM BSTThe right perspective is that Muslims are outsiders in a traditionally Christian country! That they can't even see that, in flocking here to live, they sully their own beloved faith and principles, will forever be beyond me!
Traditionally pagan really. I'd love to go back to the days when leaders were eviserated on the day when they stopped ruling, could make Brown popular.
No I think thirteen hundred or so years of Christianity is enough to make that our tradition, myself.
Quote: sootyj @ May 1 2010, 10:55 PM BSTThe liberal innability to judge others f**ks up the lives of other people in communities who need our help. That is truly f**ked up.
I think it's perfectly okay to judge others.
I don't think it's okay for the government to regulate a dress code.
Islamic law regulates a dress code. Now, so does Belgian law.
Fighting a stupid religious law with a stupid secular law is hardly a great step forward for European democracy.
Well most of our so called Christian traditions are a cocktail of early Christianity and traditional pagan worship. But then Christianity is little more than judaism with a splicing of some platonic philosophy.
Of course as a true traditionalist I'm a Babylonian Gilgamesh worshipper.
I'm currently building a cube shaped ark.
Quote: Kevin Murphy @ May 1 2010, 11:01 PM BSTI think it's perfectly okay to judge others.
I don't think it's okay for the government to regulate a dress code.
Islamic law regulates a dress code. Now, so does Belgian law.
Fighting a stupid religious law with a stupid secular law is hardly a great step forward for European democracy.
Governments regulate stuff it's kinda what they do.
But no you're right. As a fundamentalist nihilist I demand the right to get drunk and drive my car in to bus queues.
No one should opress my right to commit murder suicides at random.
I thought Gilgamesh was Messopotamean?
Yes it is a sort of cocktail, but Christianity in the west had a very strong code long before it even came to Britain and those old pagan dates had been Christian dates for hunreds of years by then. The Pagan element no longer has any significance in real terms.