I remember. 
I will never vote Conservative. Ever.
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Quote: Godot Taxis @ May 1 2010, 2:57 PM BSTI can understand why Conservatives hate labour and want Cameron in, but not why non Tories hate Brown and want Labour to fail. Have you guys really forgotten what it was like under the Tories? Maybe most of you are too young to remember.
I certainly don't hate Brown, nor want him to fail (although he will). He's the most human of the leaders. Painfully so, at times.
Quote: Godot Taxis @ May 1 2010, 2:57 PM BSTHave you guys really forgotten what it was like under the Tories? Maybe most of you are too young to remember.
I call it Thatchstalgia, Godot. A rose-tinted view of what things were really like, generally experienced by people who were too young to wear any glasses or hadn't even been born.
Quote: Godot Taxis @ May 1 2010, 2:57 PM BSTI can understand why Conservatives hate labour and want Cameron in, but not why non Tories hate Brown and want Labour to fail.
Fourteen years of incompetence and waste? The constant erosion of civil liberties? Lies about Iraq? The toadying to big business and the City? The continued collapse of British industry? The signing away of sovereignty and mass migration from the EU? The overheating of the economy and resultant near economic meltdown? The sleaze and corruption?
Have you guys really forgotten what it was like under the Tories?
Much the same really, as Labour just persevered with Tory policies.
Maybe most of you are too young to remember.
I am not, which is why I do not want them back either.
Quote: Godot Taxis @ May 1 2010, 2:57 PM BSTI can understand why Conservatives hate labour and want Cameron in, but not why non Tories hate Brown and want Labour to fail.
Have you guys really forgotten what it was like under the Tories? Maybe most of you are too young to remember.
I reckon that the youth vote will sway away from both main parties because we've experienced the various follies of Labour and we know (second-hand) what the last Tory governments were like. I certainly don't think it will be the young who vote for the Conservatives in their droves, anyway.
Quote: PhQnix @ May 1 2010, 3:31 PM BSTI reckon that the youth vote will sway away from both main parties because we've experienced the various follies of Labour and we know (second-hand) what the last Tory governments were like. I certainly don't think it will be the young who vote for the Conservatives in their droves, anyway.
I think that's right. I haven't seen any poll results split by age group but my impression from "the yoof" is that Lib Dems are clear leaders among under 30s. Also, more under 30s are likely to vote than everyone had expected at the start of the campaign, so that's another variable to add to the expenses scandal and TV debate impact. I'd be gobsmacked if it isn't a hung parliament now.
I actually think that there is a 'Mrs Bouquet factor' for a lot of young voters. They associate the labour party with working men's clubs, chips and single mothers.
They consider the 'working class' that the labour party seeks to represent more as a social class than an economic class and they think that they're better than that.
Quote: Godot Taxis @ May 1 2010, 3:53 PM BSTI actually think that there is a 'Mrs Bouquet factor' for a lot of young voters. They associate the labour party with working men's clubs, chips and single mothers.
They consider the 'working class' that the labour party seeks to represent more as a social class than an economic class and they think that they're better than that.
I think it's more a recognition that the two main parties who've had power between them for so long have become so close on many areas of policy (if not principle) that the only genuine choice for them is to choose someone else.
Quote: Godot Taxis @ May 1 2010, 3:53 PM BSTI actually think that there is a 'Mrs Bouquet factor' for a lot of young voters. They associate the labour party with working men's clubs, chips and single mothers.
They consider the 'working class' that the labour party seeks to represent more as a social class than an economic class and they think that they're better than that.
Godot you really are in a time warp aren't you? If young people are turned off the Labour party it is because they see them as just another bunch of corporate men in suits.
That doesn't follow. The Lib Dems have said that they would prefer to go into coalition with the Tories in a hung parliament. Their 'condition' (ha ha ha) for with siding with labour was a change of leader. Such pique and hubris. They should disband their party and form a pressure group. Until there is electoral change - which they cannot mandate - they are a luxury we cannot afford. In a two party system, they just split the 'left wing' vote and let the tories in.
It will be a hung Parliament. If the Liberals do enter into a coalition with either of the parties, rather than one of them forming a minority government, that will have the power act as a brake on that party's policies. Either way it which will make a change to a Government elected by a minority of the electorate pushing through policies opposed by the majority.
I don't think it will be a hung parliament.
Quote: Alfred J Kipper @ May 1 2010, 1:32 PM BSTIs it just me, or there has been hardly any coverage of UKIP's policies this campaign? Every time I turn the TV on I see Nick Griffin being grilled, but I haven't once seen UKIP's leader being interviewed. It can't just be me missing them all the time can it?
Our media is unhealthily obsessed with the BNP, and it is giving far more airtime to a party that is putting up only 90 candidates against UKIP's 500! I actually want to hear what UKIP's policies are, as they've got more chance of getting mps elected, and yet I haven't seen one of them being interviewed!
I've not seen an awful lot of the BNP, but I've probably seen less of UKIP. Certainly no more; at best, equal amounts. Interesting. I hadn't noticed it before.
Quote: Badge @ May 1 2010, 4:00 PM BSTI think it's more a recognition that the two main parties who've had power between them for so long have become so close on many areas of policy (if not principle) that the only genuine choice for them is to choose someone else.
But that's choice for the sake of choice. Or something. Choosing to vote Conservative or Labour can be genuine. I know plenty of people - young and old - who'll be going for those two.
Quote: Timbo @ May 1 2010, 4:18 PM BSTIt will be a hung Parliament. If the Liberals do enter into a coalition with either of the parties, rather than one of them forming a minority government, that will have the power act as a brake on that party's policies. Either way it which will make a change to a Government elected by a minority of the electorate pushing through policies opposed by the majority.
Do you think there'd be another election within the year, or would the plough on for the length of the Parliament, do you think?
Don't know if anyone's already linked this but some people might like this pisstake of Cameron using Pulp's Common People.
It's from David Schneider's website. I've personally never forgiven him for not commissioning Monkey Tennis or Youth Hosteling with Chris Eubank, but there's some good stuff on his site.
Quote: Godot Taxis @ May 1 2010, 2:57 PM BSTI can understand why Conservatives hate labour and want Cameron in, but not why non Tories hate Brown and want Labour to fail.
Have you guys really forgotten what it was like under the Tories? Maybe most of you are too young to remember.
People 'forgot' the pain the country was in at the arse end of the 1970s and elected Labour in 1997. Why is it so wrong for people to 'forget' the previous Conservative administrations? It was a long time ago.