General Election 2010 Page 57

Quote: chipolata @ April 27 2010, 11:17 AM BST

You're right that the three main parties have pretty much avoided the subject of immigration, but the BNP have hardly supplied any realistic options on the subject.

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Realistic proposals or not, they're the only ones who openly tackle the issue and engage with the public. The three main parties have started talking about it a little of late, but to no great ends, and are talking down at the population, not with them. The BNP's strength is perhaps not so much WHAT it says as that it dares mention it at all.

Quote: chipolata @ April 27 2010, 11:17 AM BST

And part of the reason the political elite don't like to talk about it is that whenever immigration is discussed it's hijacked by the right-wing press, who specialise in hysteria and misinformation. It would help us have a proper debate on the subject if we had a proper grown-up press.

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The right-wing press will always go on about immigration: it's the liberals who scream "racist" every time the subject is approached that stifles discussion. If they weren't there then the press couldn't gain that footing.

I'd say it's a subject with a lot of shouting and little coherence on either side. I'd like a sensible discussion immigration is a good thing, excessive immigration isn't. Religious tolerance is good, permitting criminality for religious reasons isn't.

I'm sick of the 3 main parties giving the fascists ammo by the casefull as they won't handle difficult issues. It isn't just immigration, it's the expense of retirement at 65, does the NHS need insurance to bail it out, how do we go to war, how do we cope with people who've given up on society.

It is an election currently for self interested morons. It's hard to believe we had politicians 50 years ago who could the health service, banish poverty, wind up empire and defeat totalitarianism.

Quote: sootyj @ April 27 2010, 12:50 PM BST

It's hard to believe we had politicians 50 years ago who could wind up empire

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A pity that they were ever born.

The biggest problem with immigration - bigger than the levels - is the pattern of settlement. It's the same relatively small group of towns around the country that get them all. Public services are unable to cope.

Quote: Aaron @ April 27 2010, 12:55 PM BST

A pity that they were ever born.

The biggest problem with immigration - bigger than the levels - is the pattern of settlement. It's the same relatively small group of towns around the country that get them all. Public services are unable to cope.

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The government has in fairness tried to work on this with dispersion of assylum seekers.

But like so many other things it's only half the story. Abuse of social hosuing should be veiwed as a far more serious crime than it is,

The trouble is the BNP will get votes because none of the others are addressing the real concerns of the man in the street - or the pub.

We all know this country can't sustain mass immigration. Make the f**king French stop passing them through.

Part of the problem is our standard of living is incomparable.

If we machine gunned people approaching the tunnel entrance they'd still come. And I don't think our society could survive that,

Quote: Chappers @ April 27 2010, 4:44 PM BST

The trouble is the BNP will get votes because none of the others are addressing the real concerns of the man in the street - or the pub.

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Does it really bother a lot of people? Admittedly I live in a much classier area than most of you lot, but immigration isn't really something that affects me.

Can't say I've noticed anything much. I suppose it might affect me in ways I'm not aware of though!

Quote: zooo @ April 27 2010, 5:33 PM BST

Can't say I've noticed anything much. I suppose it might affect me in ways I'm not aware of though!

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Don't you read the Daily Mail?

Quote: chipolata @ April 27 2010, 11:17 AM BST

You're right that the three main parties have pretty much avoided the subject of immigration,

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Partly to avoid drawing attention to the elephant in the room, which is unregulated movement of labour within the EU.

Quote: Chappers @ April 27 2010, 6:04 PM BST

Don't you read the Daily Mail?

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Hee.
I got a free one today actually. Thanks, Tesco home delivery...

Quote: zooo @ April 27 2010, 6:23 PM BST

Hee.
I got a free one today actually. Thanks, Tesco home delivery...

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There's no such thing as a free Daily Mail !

They all come with a price . . .

Only if you read it!

Quote: Chappers @ April 27 2010, 4:44 PM BST

The trouble is the BNP will get votes because none of the others are addressing the real concerns of the man in the street - or the pub.

We all know this country can't sustain mass immigration. Make the f**king French stop passing them through.

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This is a genuine question. What is it with you English about the French? I just can't understand the constant hatred.

Quote: zooo @ April 27 2010, 11:59 PM BST

Only if you read it!

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Indeed.

It could make Asda's Andrex 16 rolls for £5 offer look quite expensive !

Quote: keewik @ April 28 2010, 12:44 AM BST

This is a genuine question. What is it with you English about the French? I just can't understand the constant hatred.

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Generalisation. I don't. I'm a Francophile.

If only we were half a civilised as them. Or most of the rest of Western Europe come to that.