Lol
I see the Chelsea Pensioners hospital was founded so that's nice.
Pope WILL put a swastikaed condom on, live on TV Page 2
Quote: chipolata @ April 26 2010, 9:08 AM BSTWell, except for the fact you don't get to many suicide bombers blowing themself up in the name of Roman Catholicism.
The IRA are essentially a militant wing of the Catholic church. Close enough to a suicide bomber.
Quote: Aaron @ April 26 2010, 3:34 PM BSTThe IRA are essentially a militant wing of the Catholic church.
No. It's not. Just because most of the IRA are undoubtedly Roman Catholics, doesn't mean it's a militant wing of the Church. Not least because the IRA want a unified Ireland, whereas most extremist miliatants want complete Islamic rule in the West. And everywhere else, for that matter.
Quote: chipolata @ April 26 2010, 3:41 PM BSTNo. It's not. Just because most of the IRA are undoubtedly Roman Catholics, doesn't mean it's a militant wing of the Church. Not least because the IRA want a unified Ireland, whereas most extremist miliatants want complete Islamic rule in the West. And everywhere else, for that matter.
Surely you're splitting hairs a bit there? People do violence in the name of Islam and people do violence in the name of Catholicism. Both parties are often persuing agendas which could be entirely secular if you ignore the religious umbrella which they tend to fall under.
Quote: PhQnix @ April 26 2010, 3:48 PM BSTSurely you're splitting hairs a bit there? People do violence in the name of Islam and people do violence in the name of Catholicism.
Except the IRA didn't do violence in the name of religion, they did it in the name of Irish Unifiction. The fact they are all catholics is irrelevant. Islam is however integral to what groups like Al Queda are and stand for.
There was a high ranking member of the IRA who was a protestant at one time.
Quote: chipolata @ April 26 2010, 4:20 PM BSTExcept the IRA didn't do violence in the name of religion, they did it in the name of Irish Unifiction. The fact they are all catholics is irrelevant. Islam is however integral to what groups like Al Queda are and stand for.
You don't think there would be a response to Western activities in Iraq and Afghanistan if they weren't operating under an Islamic banner? They are both groups working with similar short-term aims. Religion is more important to Al Qaeda but at the end of it all you're still looking at atrocities committed by two groups with religious ties.
I guess I basically agree with Alfred that there are some Catholics who are as extreme as some Muslims. Perhaps, with a different way of operating.
Quote: Aaron @ April 26 2010, 3:34 PM BSTThe IRA are essentially a militant wing of the Catholic church. Close enough to a suicide bomber.
No. The IRA was the militant wing of Sinn Fein. It had nothing to do with the Catholic Church. The member base was predominantly Catholic, but this is unsurprising when you consider that Ireland is predominantly a Catholic country.
Fantastic thread title by the way, nogget!
Quote: Marc P @ April 26 2010, 4:21 PM BSTThere was a high ranking member of the IRA who was a protestant at one time.
Erskine Childers for one, and wasn't Roger Casement also? But then Eamon de Valera came along and turned the Free State into a deeply unpleasant theocracy.
Northern Ireland is divided on religious lines, that is what defines the communities, and is at the heart of the conflict. The Protestants are implacably opposed to the Church of Rome, and living next door to one of the most fundamentalist Roman Catholic states in Europe doubtless reinforced that. Hopefully as the Republic turns against Catholicism some of that tension will dissipate; if Ian Paisley could be unmasked as a paedophile that would probably help.
Quote: Marc P @ April 26 2010, 4:21 PM BSTThere was a high ranking member of the IRA who was a protestant at one time.
Yes, a few I would imagine. Wolf Tone was a protestant. You don't get much more republican than that.
Anyway, I think the Benidict Condom would sell bucket loads.
You could have a long list of Pope related products.
Skoda could name their new version of the roomster - the John Paul II
The Pius XII inch dildo
The Clement XVI school boy fancy dress outfit
And for the history lovers the Celestine V Nail Gun.
Niall gun, surely.
Quote: Godot Taxis @ April 26 2010, 5:01 PM BSTNo. The IRA was the militant wing of Sinn Fein. It had nothing to do with the Catholic Church. The member base was predominantly Catholic, but this is unsurprising when you consider that Ireland is predominantly a Catholic country.
No, Sinn Fein was the faux-political wing of the IRA.
Quote: Godot Taxis @ April 26 2010, 5:01 PM BSTFantastic thread title by the way, nogget!
And for someone so uptight on aspects of grammar, you're quite lazy with proper nouns.
Quote: Aaron @ April 26 2010, 5:56 PM BSTNo, Sinn Fein was the faux-political wing of the IRA.
Aaron, don't let your views distort facts. Sinn Fein is one of the oldest political parties in Ireland and the second biggest today. If you go any further down this route you're going to look like a dick.
And for someone so uptight on aspects of grammar, you're quite lazy with proper nouns.
Oo -oo! I'm more lazy than you would ever believe with a lot more than proper nouns. I don't pass much comment on how people write their posts. People post on the hoof, quickly, with one one eye on the screen etc. Most mistakes are typos.
I don't take any pains to make my posts gramatically correct. I'm no expert on grammar incidentally, not even a self-professed one, just really petty.
Quote: Godot Taxis @ April 26 2010, 6:13 PM BSTAaron, don't let your views distort facts. Sinn Fein is one of the oldest political parties in Ireland and the second biggest today. If you go any further down this route you're going to look like a dick.
Why do you think that that would concern me?
If Sinn Fein is older than the IRA, fair enough. How its size has any relevance to anything we're discussing whatsoever, is a mystery.