Well you can't have it both ways. 
It's bad for the poor 'less able' kids when the 'clever' ones to go off to their clever school, but it's fine for the clever ones' brains to atrophy in a comprehensive!
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Quote: keewik @ April 18 2010, 11:46 PM BSTOf course they shouldn't be disadvantaged provided the school in question isn't run by politically correct morons who refuse to stream. My older son was subjected to an English teacher (unfortunately head of dept) who wouldn't allow streaming, so he was put in a group of bears (is that just a Scottish expression?) with whom he had absolutely nothing in common, socially or intellectually, and was ridiculed and vilified by the lot of them.
Okay, that guy is a twat.
Quote: keewik @ April 18 2010, 11:46 PM BSTso he was put in a group of bears (is that just a Scottish expression?)
Ooh, what's a bear?
Quote: zooo @ April 18 2010, 11:47 PM BSTWell you can't have it both ways.
Why not?
Because I bally well won't allow it!
Quote: Badge @ April 18 2010, 11:54 PM BSTWhy not?
Your argument is illogical. Why is it not okay to assume that bright kids will be held back in comprehensives but okay to assume that not-so bright kids will suffer under a grammar school system?
Yay! PhQnix done said what I meant, all eloquent like.
So much for my grammar school education.
Quote: zooo @ April 18 2010, 11:47 PM BSTWell you can't have it both ways.
It's bad for the poor 'less able' kids when the 'clever' ones to go off to their clever school, but it's fine for the clever ones' brains to atrophy in a comprehensive!
Female! And in the unlikely event that I survive her, I will hunt down her grave and piss on it for the damage she did to many children. I try not to hurl chairs at the TV when her husband comes on to pontificate about education (not that I'm a violent person!)
Quote: zooo @ April 19 2010, 12:00 AM BSTYay! PhQnix done said what I meant, all eloquent like.
So much for my grammar school education.
It's all mine is useful for, maybe. 
Quote: zooo @ April 18 2010, 11:49 PM BSTOoh, what's a bear?
Hmm. Ned? Or is that another one? Brainless thug might be an alternative.
Quote: keewik @ April 19 2010, 12:01 AM BSTFemale! And in the unlikely event that I survive her, I will hunt down her grave and piss on it for the damage she did to many children. I try not to hurl chairs at the TV when her husband comes on to pontificate about education (not that I'm a violent person!)
I hereby do not understand what's happening in this post!
Quote: keewik @ April 19 2010, 12:02 AM BSTHmm. Ned? Or is that another one? Brainless thug might be an alternative.
Ahh, I see!
Quote: PhQnix @ April 18 2010, 11:57 PM BSTYour argument is illogical. Why is it not okay to assume that bright kids will be held back in comprehensives but okay to assume that not-so bright kids will suffer under a grammar school system?
Ummm.. what?
I was making a flippant aside to zooo.
Anyway, my point about grammar schools is not that not-so bright kids suffer but that bright kids who don't get into the grammar school suffer. And there's a whole load of reasons for that that I won't go into (but partly because the two-tier system creams off the "best" teachers). And before you say it, I know we have a two tier system now anyway - I don't like that either.
And finally - because I don't want to go on and on about Badge politics - I wish we could stop judging schools on the "brightness" of kids and accept that a good schooling can give people a lot of great experiences that can't be measured in exams or how f**king "bright" someone thinks they are.
Quote: PhQnix @ April 19 2010, 12:01 AM BSTIt's all mine is useful for, maybe.
Quote: zooo @ April 19 2010, 12:04 AM BSTI hereby do not understand what's happening in this post!
Sorry! Blame my squint - I quoted the wrong post. It was meant to be ... now how the Hell do I put in a second one? See below.
Quote: Timbo @ April 18 2010, 11:48 PM BSTOkay, that guy is a twat.
It was meant to be this one.
Ha!