So when will Clegg pull his masterstroke and say the troops will be coming home if he wins?
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I'll be honest here.
I didn't get into a grammar at 11, I got in at 17.
The school then made every effort to get rid of me to keep up it's exam scores/
At 17 I could take it, not so sure at 11. The school I went to at 11 helped with my limited abilities and I left with a respectable clutch of exams. Calling it grammar or bust is a bust.
Has he not already given it five years? Or did I just dream that?
Otherwise I think you are going to have to vote BNP for an immediate withdrawal.
Or Green.
Quote: sootyj @ April 18 2010, 10:16 PM BSTAt 17 I could take it, not so sure at 11. The school I went to at 11 helped with my limited abilities and I left with a respectable clutch of exams. Calling it grammar or bust is a bust.
Streamed comprehensives is probably the fairest approach, but for that to work you cannot have grammar schools creaming off all the pupils most likely to succeed. And you need discipline to ensure that the able pupils have an environment conducive to learning.
Frankly the educational system has been doomed since the day when teachers lost the right to smack disruptive pupils round the back of the head with a copy of Holmes' Principles of Physical Geography.
Why is Cameron talking about volunteers? I can't see why people would want to volunteer any more under his stewardship, unless he's going to pay them or something, in which case they are no longer volunteering. He might as well talk about wanting people to be nice to each other.
Quote: Timbo @ April 18 2010, 10:26 PM BSTStreamed comprehensives is probably the fairest approach, but for that to work you cannot have grammar schools creaming off all the pupils most likely to succeed.
What do you mean by streamed comprehensives? Does that not involve splitting children up by their apparent ability: just like the opportunity of going to a grammar school?
Quote: Aaron @ April 18 2010, 10:40 PM BSTWhat do you mean by streamed comprehensives? Does that not involve splitting children up by their apparent ability: just like the opportunity of going to a grammar school?
Yes, but you can have different streams for different subjects, so it is less rigid, and it is a lot easier to move pupils between classes than between schools.
Point about easy movement granted, but with or without splitting kids into comprehensives and grammars, you can still create different classes for different subjects. We certainly did so at my school, and I assume that they did at the comprehensives too.
Yes as far as I am aware the streaming in comprehensives is standard, so I do not really understand the argument that grammar schools are necessary to stop brighter pupils being held back.
Well it was hard enough to keep out of the influence/effects of some of the morons who somehow managed to con their way into my grammar at times...
I saw today that Nick Boles, the Tory candidate for Grantham & Stamford, had had an election board defaced with red paint. What does this say about the politics of the person standing or the person doing the 'painting'?
Everyone is entitled to an opinion or to stand for what they believe in but we can't condone vandalism.
It could've been done by a yoof but it was right on the edge of Stamford a fair distance from any residential property so it's likely to be premeditated. Should we read anything into the paint being red?
Politics is such in this country that in many ways it wouldn't surprise me if the Tories organised the smear themselves to tarnish the opposition though I think that pretty unlikely. The fact I even mention it says a lot I think. 
Vandalism's vandalism in my book. Naughty.
Quote: sootyj @ April 18 2010, 8:14 PM BSTSo when? I didn't goto grammar till 6th form and sort of did alright.
Not splitting kids is terribly unfair on the bright who can't afford pubic school.
Vocational training and adult education are not dirty words.
I think it's terribly unfair to assume that "bright" kids are automatically held back or disadvantaged by attending a comprehensive school.
Quote: Badge @ April 18 2010, 11:32 PM BSTI think it's terribly unfair to assume that "bright" kids are automatically held back or disadvantaged by attending a comprehensive school.
Of course they shouldn't be disadvantaged provided the school in question isn't run by politically correct morons who refuse to stream. My older son was subjected to an English teacher (unfortunately head of dept) who wouldn't allow streaming, so he was put in a group of bears (is that just a Scottish expression?) with whom he had absolutely nothing in common, socially or intellectually, and was ridiculed and vilified by the lot of them.