So what do people think? Were they any worse than any other organisation? Does this kind of sin count out any good the organisation might otherwise have done?
Catholic Child abuse scandals
Quote: sootyj @ March 28 2010, 7:55 PM GMTWere they any worse than any other organisation?
Which ones are you thinking of?
Barnardoes, social services departments in the UK at the time and around the world etc. Few didn't have some nasty incidents in their past.
Aren't there "bad pennies" everywhere?
If someone killed someone in my office tommorow - does that make the company bad?
Indiviuals must taken responsibility for their own actions.
Quote: bigfella @ March 28 2010, 8:11 PM GMTIf someone killed someone in my office tommorow - does that make the company bad?
It does if the company protects the killer.
Absolutely true. The Catholic Church probably does more to feed, teach and fight injustic then any other faith organisation.
But does it's beureacratic structure make it culpable in the bahviour of some of it's members?
Do vows of celibacy encourage sexually disfunctionality?
Quote: bigfella @ March 28 2010, 8:11 PM GMTIf someone killed someone in my office tommorow - does that make the company bad?
Was last weeks toilet "incident" really that bad?
Quote: bigfella @ March 28 2010, 8:11 PM GMTIf someone killed someone in my office tommorow - does that make the company bad?
If you're a hangman it's kinda expected.
Quote: sootyj @ March 28 2010, 8:16 PM GMTDo vows of celibacy encourage sexually disfunctionality?
I'm not well versed in Psychiatry, but don't they often link mental illnesses with sexual repression?
Especially if it isn't really voluntary.
It's the fact it took so long for the Irish cardinal to admit there was a problem and that he knew about it, and did nothing about it until forced to by the public scandal, that has so damaged the Catholic church. For the Pope to issue a public apology, that is still very rare!
I do kind of feel though he's doing it more out of necessity to heal the damage that's been done to his church than really out of caring for the victims. Having said that, the statements have been very thoughtfully written and quite warm. This humanity is what they should be about, and they are doing very well in acknowledging that now. Maybe they should permeate this humanity through to their most intransigent side.
Quote: bigfella @ March 28 2010, 8:11 PM GMTIndiviuals must taken responsibility for their own actions.
A forgotten (or overlooked) and universal truth. 
Quote: bigfella @ March 28 2010, 8:11 PM GMTAren't there "bad pennies" everywhere?
If someone killed someone in my office tommorow - does that make the company bad?
Indiviuals must taken responsibility for their own actions.
But organisations must take responsibility for their employees as well.
Quote: sootyj @ March 28 2010, 9:21 PM GMTBut organisations must take responsibility for their employees as well.
If they know of illegal acts and don't notify the authorities they are guilty as can be.
Quote: sootyj @ March 28 2010, 8:16 PM GMTThe Catholic Church probably does more to feed, teach and fight injustic then any other faith organisation.
But does it's beureacratic structure make it culpable in the bahviour of some of it's members?
Do vows of celibacy encourage sexually disfunctionality?
Agree also with Nogget / Badge re: the organisation protecting a culprit. But all organisations are defensive until the individual is indefensible. Fortress mentality, etc.
Soots, bang on re: their work, I can't ignore this aspect. Celibacy is curious. There isn't even (AFAIA) a biblical basis for it. In fact it seems more rooted in earlier pagan ideas (babylonian priesthoods / vestal virgins?) but I'm shooting from the hip here and would need to read up on it much more.