I'd bring my ukulele and drive everyone off. I only know two chords. And my trusty Mossberg.
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Quote: Tim Walker @ March 20 2010, 11:28 PM GMTWhat's it like living in a socialist country now then?
And as the NHS rules this benighted socialist paradise.
Hail comrade Tim Walker!
Quote: DaButt @ March 20 2010, 11:17 PM GMTNo ammunition yet, so I'm still all bark and no bite. There's been an ammunition shortage since Obama won the election
Do presidents have much of an effect upon the average American's life? Is your life any diffeerent under Obama than under Bush?
Quote: sootyj @ March 20 2010, 11:29 PM GMTHail comrade Tim Walker!
Don't hail me, comrade Sooty, hail Our Glorious Leader and his new Five Year Plan to make our glorious State Bedpan Factory become the envy of the world!
*sings Red Flag*
Hums the words whilst saluting with a tear in his eye.
Quote: sootyj @ March 20 2010, 11:29 PM GMTA country where the free ownsership of guns scares no one but government subsidised medical care for the poor does?
Guns don't scare me any more than steak knives or baseball bats do.
We already have subsidized (and often free) health care for poor people. What people are concerned about is a multi-trillion-dollar rearrangement of our economy that is being pushed by members of a single political party. How good of a bill can it be if the president has to bribe senators with billions of dollars of pork in order to get their votes.
My employer-provided is excellent and costs me $46 per month. Everyone knows that the government plan will result in higher costs and lesser quality of care. The government and politicians can't do anything right most of the time and burning through trillions of dollars that it doesn't have and throwing them at insurance companies is lunacy.
Quote: chipolata @ March 20 2010, 11:30 PM GMTDo presidents have much of an effect upon the average American's life? Is your life any diffeerent under Obama than under Bush?
Yes, their policies have a HUGE effect on the average citizen's life. I'm not as concerned about my situation as I am about my kids' future. Government needs to stop throwing away money that it didn't have in the first place. Big government = bad government.
Except that isn't what happens in France, Germany, Holland, Sweden etc etc (note not mentioning the NHS who do about as bad a job for less wonga). Who provide way better health than the US and for less money. The problem is your company is spending rather more than 46$ on your healthcare to one of the most avaricious companies outside of arms dealing.
Whatever system, there'll certainly never be enough money to treat all the cases of pathological paranoia in the US. 
Quote: DaButt @ March 20 2010, 11:44 PM GMTGuns don't scare me any more than steak knives or baseball bats do.
Government needs to stop throwing away money that it didn't have in the first place. Big government = bad government.
Of course. You could build less prisons for shop lifters and spend less on defence. China and Iran really aren't planning on invading anytime soon.
Quote: Tim Walker @ March 20 2010, 11:45 PM GMTWhatever system, there'll certainly never be enough money to treat all the cases of pathological paranoia in the US.
Says the chap who thought there was an internal BBC2 plot against The Persuanists! 
Quote: DaButt @ March 20 2010, 11:44 PM GMTBig government = bad government.
I'd agree with that in principle. But it's a bit mad for certain Republicans to get misty-eyed and hark back to GOP wet dreams about the "golden age" of Reaganomics. During the Reagan and Bush Sr administrations, for example, government was far bigger and costlier than it is today and the budget deficit was allowed to spiral out of control.
Quote: sootyj @ March 20 2010, 11:45 PM GMTThe problem is your company is spending rather more than 46$ on your healthcare to one of the most avaricious companies outside of arms dealing.
If insurance companies are so terrible, why is Obama's bill which makes insurance coverage mandatory a good thing? Can't have it both ways.
My company is owned by a Swedish corporation, by the way.
Quote: chipolata @ March 20 2010, 11:50 PM GMTSays the chap who thought there was an internal BBC2 plot against The Persuasionists!
Anyone who has studied the evidence about The Persuasionists will realise that it's all part of a bigger global pattern which involves 9/11, Zionist bankers, the Freemasons, Yale's 'Skull And Bones' secret society and Danny "Grand Lizard" Cohen. 
That would scare me far more....
Well the European model works on the basis that the insurance companies should provide. Everyone should pay and the government should watch over. The weakness of your current system means many people don;t cover which is bad for them. But also for the companies that don't get the business.
France and the UK are examples of how direct provision is not always a good thing.
Quote: Tim Walker @ March 20 2010, 11:53 PM GMTAnyone who has studied the evidence about The Persuasionists will realise that it's all part of a bigger global pattern which involves 9/11, Zionist bankers, the Freemasons, Yale's 'Skull And Bones' secret society and Danny "Grand Lizard" Cohen.
Don't forget the Italian mafia. My father-in-law was always convinced they were involved in everything. 