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Quote: Empty @ March 3 2010, 4:07 PM GMT

Marc P beat me to it - this is not remotely of a high enough standard, either the acting or the film/video. It's not broadcast quality I'm afraid, so you'd be wasting your time and money, and possibly ruining future better chances, by sending out examples of your work when, by your own admission, the material is not you at your best (writing or acting). It's not an example of what you are offering people, therefore it does not work as a showreel. As you are still at college, why not wait? You always seem to be working on something new. Wait til you've got something which you know nails what what you have to offer.

This is not to say you will never achieve that, but, as even you recognise, you're nowhere near achieveing that yet. Why run before you can walk? Why burn a bridge now with someone who will see the name James Cotter on a DVD on his desk (or whatever) and will say, "not him again".

This business is hard enough. Don't become a nuisance before you become interesting.

It will not help you in the professional industry.

It will not help you get roles in TV or radio.

It will not convince a producer to cast you as something, because it doesn't show you doing anything for which you might be cast.

You asked for critique, so there it is. Now go and grow into yourself and come back as the best thing since sliced bread.

I'm a mere no-one, but my advice is free.

I agree with all the above, you are better off getting an agent. Usually when production companies ask for show reels they are talking show reels of professional work you have done on TV, not ones from drama courses or ones you have done yourself.

Quote: James Cotter @ March 4 2010, 2:38 PM GMT

...but to be perfectly truthfully I don't think I'm going to get dramatically better then I am already ...

:(

If you genuinley believe this then you should really give up any ideas of acting.
Your acting work isn't nearly good enough.
Stick to creating characters and get other people to bring them to life.

Quote: Steve Sunshine @ March 4 2010, 3:54 PM GMT

It's not Coogan!
It's his Carer.

That's no way to talk about Rob Brydon Angry

Anyway, I actually quite liked the showreel from a purely acting perspective, though it does help having people in scenes with you who are as wooden as Pinocchio with an erection. I think the radio DJ character could probably be your best acting piece, as you are actually quite engaging without resorting to shouting. I don't think any of it is particularly funny though, but I guess the point of the showreel wasn't to make us laugh. You get a fair bit of flak on here from what I've seen, but you're getting a heck of a lot more responses than anyone else when you put a piece up, so you're obviously doing something right to get all this attention. Good luck with your future endeavors, you definitely have lots of potential.

I think until you play someone people could imagine you actually being, on the basis of your age, appearance and voice it will be difficult to gauge your acting ability. This 'showreel' didn't seem like a particularly good showcase of your acting abilities so I wouldn't send it out. Write something that fits with who you actually are, something in line with your character, and make it an exagerrated version then you might have something that people could believe and there may be some comedy in it (a bit of self-deprecation helps IMO). Keep at it James, people aren't criticising you for kicks, at least I hope they're not, it is with an interest in pointing you in the right direction.

All the best.

P.S. One more vote for 'Likes the jacket'.

Quote: Mickeza @ March 4 2010, 7:13 PM GMT

That's no way to talk about Rob Brydon Angry

You get a fair bit of flak on here from what I've seen, but you're getting a heck of a lot more responses than anyone else when you put a piece up

I don't think that James gets any unnecessary flack. In fact I find that the people on the BCG tend to be encouraging & kind in the main, and certainly don't pick holes out of things for the sake of it.

Hi James.
Maybe you should try to write & film some sketches, It can be a good way to get started in Comedy.
I'd prefer to see a few sketches from you on Funny or Die, rather than Back to School outtakes.

Quote: Steve Sunshine @ March 4 2010, 10:03 PM GMT

Maybe you should try to write & film some sketches, It can be a good way to get started in Comedy.
I'd prefer to see a few sketches from you on Funny or Die, rather than Back to School outtakes.

As my squirrel friends often say, I concur.

Quote: bushbaby @ March 4 2010, 4:44 PM GMT

I agree with all the above, you are better off getting an agent. Usually when production companies ask for show reels they are talking show reels of professional work you have done on TV, not ones from drama courses or ones you have done yourself.

How are people who are on drama and media courses supposed to get a professional showreel with out one showing of the work they done on those courses.

It's like getting an agent - it's all a bit chicken and egg. Wait 'till you get parts in more professional looking short films, etc for a showreel. Until then you audition, etc for parts. Go on Shooting People, Talent Circle, etc to find out about castings. :)

Quote: Dolly Dagger @ March 5 2010, 4:27 PM GMT

It's like getting an agent - it's all a bit chicken and egg. Wait 'till you get parts in more professional looking short films, etc for a showreel. Until then you audition, etc for parts. Go on Shooting People, Talent Circle, etc to find out about castings. :)

:) Okay thanks.

Quote: James Cotter @ March 5 2010, 4:16 PM GMT

How are people who are on drama and media courses supposed to get a professional showreel with out one showing of the work they done on those courses.

Why do they need one? A showreel is a retrospective of professional work. I'm really surprised none of your tutors have any experience of this. I genuinely feel sorry for you that you have no one to turn to on your course.

1. Your work is not professional, nor of professional quality. Regardless of your performance, which is a matter of taste, you are seeking to pit it against showreels of thousands upon thousands of other professional actors whose showreels are professionally produced and feature clips from professional productions.
2. Showreels should be no longer than 2.30 mins; should not chop about productions but feature a clip from one then move onto the next; should display details of what the production is, who directed it, etc; should not have background music which distracts from the scene; should highlight you - professional editors who edit showreels for a living/sideline will always re-edit material to make the actor seem prominent - yours deosn't even start with you! You are the focus of this thing, highlighting other actors is a waste of time and energy. You wouldn't go to an audition with a friend and say "he's just going to read a few lines to lead into my speech". Professional editors (and I've seen them do this) can lift sound tracks, cut other actors and make a scene from The Bill between two people look like there's only one actor dominating. That's their skill, and that's what you're up against; the showreel should not show you differently to what you are offering now - there are scenes with you where you look about 12 and are clearly lighter in weight than you are now. It's no good offering directors and CDs that because you aren't that person anymore (besides which, you're hardly in those scenes anyway so it's more like a showreel for everyone else!). Additionally, the edit has no contact details - maybe this is just the version we've seen, but that is rather important.
3. What I think you're really saying is, "how do I get professional work?". As I and others have tried to impress upon you, it won't be this way. You will ruin your chances this way. You will make yourself look amateurish, the very opposite of what they are looking for, and the opposite of what you want. You seem to want quick fixes. You're a young man in a hurry, I get that. But if you're serious about your ambitions, then take your ambition seriously. It's a career, not a game. Audition for stuff, get an agent, get professional work, get enough material to produce a viable showreel to help backup your professional status. You are not currently professional. Not everyone needs to train to perform but IMHO, you do. Don't be arrogant, look at who you're up against. Yes, what I'm saying will take time and effort and focus. There is a quicker way, and that's to do what you're doing. I have told you that IMO, that's the quickest route only to failure.
4. Even if you were the best thing since sliced bread, you may not make it. You could be rubbish and make it. You could be perfectly good and realise at 30 you're broke, have no career to speak of, and it just hasn't worked out for you, like it won't for the 95% of the thousands of others who started out at the same time as you - because it's an odds game, not necessarily one of talent. If you have the dedication to ignore the odds and go for it anyway, then HAVE the dedication and do it right.
5. If you work professionally, you WILL be directed - that means listening to someone other than that voice you hear in your own head all the time. It means listening to ideas and experiences, taking them on board, and adapting, and growing as a result. If you're ever going to work as a professional actor, you MUST work with and accept the ideas and skills of others. I think you know what I'm saying.
6. As I said before: Your life, your choice. Good luck.

Quote: Empty @ March 5 2010, 4:39 PM GMT

You could be perfectly good and realise at 30 you're broke, have no career to speak of, and it just hasn't worked out for you, like it won't for the 95% of the thousands of others who started out at the same time as you - because it's an odds game, not necessarily one of talent.

Teary
*muffled pistol shot from locked room*

Quote: James Cotter @ March 5 2010, 4:16 PM GMT

How are people who are on drama and media courses supposed to get a professional showreel with out one showing of the work they done on those courses.

That's the ten million dollar question.
I did professional acting. After doing a drama course I went for my first audition, got the job which was an Equity contract one, then applied to agents and one took me on.
You need an agent more than anything as you won't know where the jobs are otherwise, and so nobody takes you seriously. You then get other jobs and build up a good CV, show reels are ok but a CV and a photo is enough to be going on with.
Get a set of professional photos done and send out to loads of agents

You're friends will tell you when you leave the toilet with your cock hanging out of your trousers.

Strangers will say nothing and laugh about it behind your back.

True friends will tell you firmly when you deny your cock is hanging out.

James I like some of your stuff. But Empty is right into many areas you're cock is hanging out.

Quote: sootyj @ March 5 2010, 6:02 PM GMT

You're friends will tell you when you leave the toilet with your cock hanging out of your trousers.

Strangers will say nothing and laugh about it behind your back.

True friends will tell you firmly when you deny your cock is hanging out.

James I like some of your stuff. But Empty is right into many areas you're cock is hanging out.

If only I thought of that image, I'd save all the typing!

Plus, people have been laughing at me all day...

lol

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