Quote: bushbaby @ January 24 2010, 1:01 AM GMTI do think Sootyj that it's too early and controversial to do jokes about Haiti
Agree.
but the sketch is very funny
Disagree.
Not even remotely.
A Haiti sketch don't hate me. Page 2
Quote: bushbaby @ January 24 2010, 1:01 AM GMTgetting back to the thread topic
The sketch would work better if the disaster was a generic, unspecified one.
Making it about a topical tragedy probably isn't wise.
The way I see it, if you've donated money, helped organise relief, flown out there to help or adopted a Haitian orphan, then you have every right to feel aggreived by the poor taste of sootyj's sketch.
If on the other hand, you just watched the footage on the telly and felt a bit sad - then STFU. Because let's face it, if you gave even the tiniest of shits then you would have done something about it.
IMO your apathy and faux disgust is worse then sootyj's mocking.
'Renegade Carpark - the masked highwayman on the moral high road'
Renegade. If it makes you feel any better it's my plane on the runway at Port au Prince that's holding up the relief effort. This is the worst thing I've read since my last effort.
I must have not written a topical sketch in ages if I've stirred up this hornets nest. I'm not always clear if people think the sketch is poor, in poor taste or both. There is a diference.
For me satire has got to be more than making dull witted obvious statements masquerading as wit. GWB is an idiot, GordyB is a loser, Dave Cameron has no pubes. So what?
For me it should be drawing attention to everything. In this case the most effective areas of the relief effort seem to be; picking up cute orphans for adoption, keeping order (e.g. keeping victims out of the US) and allowing governments to show off their fnacy search and rescue teams. At the same time as making sure what ever Haitian government survives pays for all this help.
The time for satire is the time of events. Otherwise it's an ambulance for collecting the dead.
Frankly I'm amazed no one's mentioned Al Quaeda in Haiti or something. It annoys me that like so many disasters what ever money I give will long term do more harm than good.
Hmm me thinks I've been out of the satire business to long.
Humor is tragedy plus time. You didn't give it enough time.
I clearly have no moral compass, because I just think it's funny, Soots. Especially the Gordon Brown ending - really liked the line about "I love the mental ones".
The media circus that surrounds disasters nowadays and the way it just turns tragedy into rock concerts - if that can't be satirised, we might as well pack up and go home now. I find far more distasteful the bland gags that tend to dominate most news-based topical shows because nobody will touch the real issues for fear of offending the various lobby groups that dominate the media.
Quote: Henrik Bengtsson @ January 24 2010, 8:17 AM GMTHumor is tragedy plus time. You didn't give it enough time.
Quote: Henrik Bengtsson @ January 24 2010, 8:17 AM GMTHumor is tragedy plus time. You didn't give it enough time.
And that is why it's an ineffectual and pointless tool most of the time.
I always respect Russell Brand from going on TV after 9/11 dressed as Bin Laden (for which MTV sacked him).
Satire for me is about being angry right now. Angry that the aid from the IMF is being given with crippling conditions and that a large number of Haiti's future generations are seen as disposable assessts their country isn't responsible for.
I'd say satire is tragedy plus outrage.
Quote: sootyj @ January 24 2010, 10:53 AM GMTSatire for me is about being angry right now. Angry that the aid from the IMF is being given with crippling conditions and that a large number of Haiti's future generations are seen as disposable assessts their country isn't responsible for.
Don't forget to blame the Frogs for creating the mess that is Haiti, and the Americans for propping up Papa Doc and then Baby Doc, keeping things corrupt and messed up.
And supporting the coup that kicked out Aristede who was atleast semicompetent.
People in Haiti were starving before this disaster.
Is there some joke in here that I have missed? How is it even remotely offensive towards Haitians? There has been an earthquake in Haiti hasn't there? I don't think the sketch is advocating that this is a good thing. It is having a pop at Angelina Jolie and the ridiculous adoption shit that she and Madonna get up to, and then has a pop at Gordon Brown, referencing his "saving the world" agenda, while most of the world couldn't give two hoots as to who he is. I thought it was quite funny, and I did laugh out loud at the Gordon bit, the punchline is some nice wordplay too.
Quote: sootyj @ January 24 2010, 10:53 AM GMTI'd say satire is tragedy plus outrage.
Quote: sootyj @ January 23 2010, 9:07 PM GMTThese are the uggliest orphans I've seen since Jordan put Harvey on ebay.
I inspired a Morrace montage my life is complete.
And glad you noticed my ingenious gag on cherry picking orphans contrasted with Katie Price commercialising motherhood.
I'm a Got-the-Horn Again Christian. Why do you give dear - Jesus Christ, did you see the size of his cock!!!!!???!!!