Quote: chipolata @ January 14 2010, 12:57 PM GMTI'm agnostic.
Want a biscuit?
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Quote: Paul W @ January 14 2010, 12:55 PM GMTAgnostics are funny. It's like:
"Yeah there is a god, I guess... Probably, I don't know, can I eat that biscuit?"
Quote: Paul W @ January 14 2010, 12:55 PM GMTAgnostics are funny. It's like:
"Yeah there is a god, I guess... Probably, I don't know, can I eat that biscuit?"
More that both extremes are unproven, so I'll just sit here in the middle waiting in the unlikely case that either side is conclusively proved. 
Plus I just don't much care either way. I find a lot of atheists as devout about their viewpoint as Religious Believers. That fervent unshakeable belief in something unproveable is what I find hard to understand.
Agnostics are a bit like bisexuals.
Quote: Rob H @ January 14 2010, 1:01 PM GMTMore that both extremes are unproven, so I'll just sit here in the middle waiting in the unlikely case that either side is conclusively proved.
Plus I just don't much care either way. I find a lot of atheists as devout about their viewpoint as Religious Believers. That fervent unshakeable belief in something unproveable is what I find hard to understand.
Science isn't a matter of faith though, no matter how often it's claimed to be.
Quote: zooo @ January 14 2010, 1:01 PM GMTAgnostics are a bit like bisexuals.
Yeeeee-eeees...
Quote: scratchyr @ January 14 2010, 1:03 PM GMTScience isn't a matter of faith though, no matter how often it's claimed to be.
I don't know most of it seems to be guess work. Using other people's theories to make your own theories.
Quote: Rob H @ January 14 2010, 1:01 PM GMTMore that both extremes are unproven, so I'll just sit here in the middle waiting in the unlikely case that either side is conclusively proved.
Plus I just don't much care either way. I find a lot of atheists as devout about their viewpoint as Religious Believers. That fervent unshakeable belief in something unproveable is what I find hard to understand.
You're an athiest in some ways, you don't believe in Zeus do you? Just happens to be a more modern God that people tend to believe in.
And when there isn't any evidence whatsoever for something I generally won't believe in it.
Quote: scratchyr @ January 14 2010, 1:03 PM GMTScience isn't a matter of faith though, no matter how often it's claimed to be.
Science is an ever-evolving thing, not a fixed set of rules from which there's no deviation. 500 years ago it was an accepted scientific fact that the solar system rotated around the earth. The theory has changed.
Plus, there is no conclusive proof about either the Big Bang or Evolution. That's not to say I don't believe they are correct (I do!), just that they are best-fit theories which have no conclusive proof. If they are proven, neither of them preclude the fact that God may or may not exist.
Quote: Paul W @ January 14 2010, 1:05 PM GMTYou're an athiest in some ways, you don't believe in Zeus do you? Just happens to be a more modern God that people tend to believe in.
By that rationale a Christian who refused to acknowledge Ganesh, say, as being a God would be an atheist. That doesn't seem to make sense to me.
Quote: chipolata @ January 14 2010, 12:57 PM GMTI'm agnostic.
Copycat.
Quote: Rob H @ January 14 2010, 1:08 PM GMTScience is an ever-evolving thing, not a fixed set of rules from which there's no deviation. 500 years ago it was an accepted scientific fact that the solar system rotated around the earth. The theory has changed.
Plus, there is no conclusive proof about either the Big Bang or Evolution. That's not to say I don't believe they are correct (I do!), just that they are best-fit theories which have no conclusive proof. If they are proven, neither of them preclude the fact that God may or may not exist.
First of all fair enough on the above, but using the word "theory" in the theory evolution is wordplay nowadays.
Quote: Rob H @ January 14 2010, 1:04 PM GMTYeeeee-eeees...
Along the 'pick a side' vein.
Quote: Rob H @ January 14 2010, 1:10 PM GMTBy that rationale a Christian who refused to acknowledge Ganesh, say, as being a God would be an atheist. That doesn't seem to make sense to me.
True, you are an athiest in that respect too, I'm using a bit of wordplay with you really...
Religions tend to be like that...
No one should feel required to defend their beliefs. Neither religious people nor atheists. No one has to prove they're right, even if we all believe we are.
Quote: Paul W @ January 14 2010, 1:11 PM GMTFirst of all fair enough on the above, but using the word "theory" in the theory evolution is wordplay nowadays.
I don't think so - until it's proven it is a theory. I'm not trying to disprove you using semantics. I think we would have similar views on the veracity of evolution, I'm just saying, that's all.
Us bisexuals can be very argumentative when roused.
Quote: Gavin @ January 14 2010, 1:04 PM GMTI don't know most of it seems to be guess work. Using other people's theories to make your own theories.
Your first three words are telling. There's a world of difference between the common usage of the word theory and what is considered a scientific theory. The theory of gravity is only a "theory" but not nobody would deny it, even though when you think about it's so strange ( that space and time are one thing, spacetime and that it bends around objects which causes nearby objects to fall into the curves ) but nobody bats an eyelid because we see it's effects everyday. Science is the opposite of guess work, that's the whole point. Religion is guesswork as in " I don't know how that works, maybe God / gods done it".
But enough of the tired old debate. I wish everyone well, regardless of their world view ( within reason)