Quote: chipolata @ December 16 2009, 12:17 PM GMT
It's insania!
Aren't they favourites to win the Eurovision song contest next year?
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Quote: Matthew Stott @ December 16 2009, 12:15 PM GMTI'd agree there. Some people will watch two or three series of a show they hate, seemingly just so they can post about how much they still hate it!
But when they slag off the first episode of a new show, people tell them to stick with it before judging. They can't win!
Quote: Marc P @ December 16 2009, 12:18 PM GMTAren't they favourites to win the Eurovision song contest next year?
You're like a trapdoor spider, Marc, waiting in your lair to spring on an unsuspecting word or phrase...
Quote: Kevin Murphy @ December 16 2009, 12:20 PM GMTBut when they slag off the first episode of a new show, people tell them to stick with it before judging. They can't win!
Okay, sometimes you see a show and your in two minds about whether you like it and stick with it, but more often than not you know by the end of episode 1 whether it's for you or not.
Has anyone realised what a privelege it is that MJ uses his real name? So hats off to him for that sheer amount of balls, which he readily places firmly in the line of fire... unlike mine which are placed, one teste on either side of the fence.
The only point I'd raise here is that a commission and then a broadcast is surely the greatest moment of approval a writer can experience. Yes, all creatives can have a certain frailty but for them to expect universal acclaim is surely asking the universe for too much in one lifetime. A writer is more than just a great writer. There is an unavoidable package that comes with talent and that includes a likeable personality that people want to work with, a sense of stability that people can rely on, plus the ability to carry on despite the hard times. If a writer falls by the wayside (at whatever stage in their career) then it's surely a Darwinian method of selecting the true writers from the almost-rans.
As writers, getting the commission means you've achieved the nod from the hardest audience you'll ever have to face - the commissioners. And I suspect every writer here would swap their problems of getting any sort of audience for the hurdle of some harsh words and criticism from the public and media.
Quote: Kevin Murphy @ December 16 2009, 12:20 PM GMTBut when they slag off the first episode of a new show, people tell them to stick with it before judging. They can't win!
Sticking with a show you hate for two or three series is madness though, surely?? 
Quote: SlagA @ December 16 2009, 12:24 PM GMTunlike mine which are placed, one teste on either side of the fence.
Quote: SlagA @ December 9 2009, 3:09 PM GMTNot if I straddle it side-saddle.
Quite the contortionist.
Quote: Kevin Murphy @ December 16 2009, 12:30 PM GMTQuite the contortionist.
Not after a jealous ex took a knife to them and my knackers now live in separate glass containers. 
A comedy forum is just a group of people like any other.
If we think back to our schooldays, college days or to any industry we've ever worked in, do we not recall nice people, nasty people, bright people, thick people, revolutionaries and incorrigible bum-kissers?
There's nothing wrong (or right) with BCG that isn't wrong (or right) with the wider world.
Quote: SlagA @ December 16 2009, 12:24 PM GMTThere is an unavoidable package that comes with talent and that includes a likeable personality that people want to work with, a sense of stability that people can rely on, plus the ability to carry on despite the hard times.
You make a vey good point here.
Quote: Marc P @ December 16 2009, 12:52 PM GMTYou make a vey good point here.
I would say that applies to life in general anyway.
Quote: Dolly Dagger @ December 16 2009, 1:04 PM GMTI would say that applies to life in general anyway.
This thread's getting like a box of chocolates.
Quote: Micheal Jacob @ December 16 2009, 11:25 AM GMTI wouldn't characterise the people here as being bitter wannabes. I just try from time to time to make the point that the route from script to screen is complicated, and that discussion about strengths as well as weaknesses makes for a better debate from which people can learn. If people feel a show has no strengths, then that's fair enough, but if a broadcaster invests in a show and puts it on, then a bunch of people will have seen positives, and identifying them might help writers examine their own work and make it more marketable.
The trouble is the old saying - once you've spot a trend it's probably too late! It's a good point though - people write in order to get produced, so why not see what's being produced, and why it was produced.
It would be a good exercise to set up a thread in the writers forum for shows receiving negative press to discuss why each one got made - what were its merits.
With regards to the criticism of shows - I have heard producers talk about this place negatively and as Griff says, it doesn't enhance the reputation coming here. Which is a shame, as it's probably (Morrace aside - bless 'im) one of the friendliest places on the interweb.
Well I think people post stuff on here that they would say in the pub but would never dream of saying if they were at an interview at the BBC or having a meeting about a project they were pitching or had been invited in to discuss. Television is an incredibly collaborative process.
Quote: Marc P @ December 16 2009, 1:10 PM GMTWell I think people post stuff on here that they would say in the pub but would never dream of saying if they were at an interview at the BBC or having a meeting about a project they were pitching or had been invited in to discuss.
I wonder what BBC comedy producers say about Big Top in the pub.
Quote: Marc P @ December 16 2009, 1:10 PM GMTWell I think people post stuff on here that they would say in the pub but would never dream of saying if they were at an interview at the BBC or having a meeting about a project they were pitching or had been invited in to discuss. Television is an incredibly collaborative process.
I think people are pretty snarky in any walk of life. I work for a big organisation that you would have all of heard of, and we're always slagging each off and running each other down. It's great!
Quote: Kevin Murphy @ December 16 2009, 1:13 PM GMTI wonder what BBC comedy producers say about Big Top in the pub.
I wonder if any have seen it other than the ones responsible. There's an inherent snobbism in the BBC about shows like that. Which is one of the reasons they so often struggle to get them right.