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Quote: Tim Walker @ December 2 2009, 2:27 PM GMT

This is a point that often rears its (potentially) ugly head around these parts, Micheal. In your experience is it a common problem that a "new" writer often struggles to write anything of worth beyond episode one?

I've always kind-of assumed that if I really know my set up and characters well enough in the pilot, then I will be able come up with at least five other stories for them. (I tend to write the "annoying" way, however, where I take a tiny initial idea and develop a plot and a structure as I explore it.) Some producers take the line that if a writer can write one great episode they should always be able to write more. I would presume a new writer on their first series commission also gets a great deal of support and input on the approach to writing episodes 2-6?

Have there been instances where a writer has been commissioned and then simply couldn't write a full series? And is this more common than we hear about?

Hi Tim.

It's not a common problem, and indeed it's quite uncommon. It's more usual that writers crack up and can't do it than that they only have one good script in them. There's always one bastard episode in a series which doesn't work, but the thing there is to bin it rather than try to make it work, and write a new script.

Generally, if there is interest in a series, the writer will be commissioned for a second script, and there will be, as you say, a lot of help (if needed) on the remaining four.

I think one can tell in a pilot script whether the characters and situation have possibilities across several series, and sometimes it's just a matter of talking to a writer, trying to provide confidence and reassurance where necessary, or equally trying to reign in some wilder flights.

There have certainly been shows where the writer runs out of puff and someone else has to be brought in,but not often.

Producers are generally confident - it's often the people higher up who need reassurance.

Quote: Micheal Jacob @ December 2 2009, 3:30 PM GMT

Producers are generally confident - it's often the people higher up who need reassurance.

:D I hear you!

Thanks for that reply, Micheal. My experience (so far as it is) is that with a good team of producers et cetera around one, the process of writing actually becomes easier rather than harder. Personally, I find it far more enjoyable to write when you've got people with ideas, advice and a sympathetic ear around. (Also having someone to honestly tell you when something isn't working is just as invaluable.) It's more enjoyable than bashing out your latest pilot in complete isolation. Agents, of course, can also be very maternal/paternal towards one. ;)

Why have you suddenly turned into the Queen, just cos MJ's around again?

Dan

Quote: Tim Walker @ December 2 2009, 3:29 PM GMT

Depressing. :( Personally I am pretty useless at plotting out a story and a scene structure in advance. I take a one line idea for a plot and then just run with it, see where it goes. I am aware that this is not a method necessarily favoured by producers, who tend to want to know upfront what the story is going to be about.

My understanding is that he got the show picked up by a company at CBS, at a time when it was considered the "old people" network and it was very ahead of its time. When he realized that he was coming up with stones for ideas, the producers brought in a tired "dream team" of sorts and all the originality disappeared. He said it was a blessing that he had used another name when writing at as he has gone on to much bigger and better things. :)

Quote: swerytd @ December 2 2009, 3:41 PM GMT

Why have you suddenly turned into the Queen, just cos MJ's around again?

I was just being polite, Dan. And if anyone deserves the benefit of my new sober outlook on life, then it is the charming and considerate Mr Jacob. Don't worry, I'm sure I'll be bitterly sarcastic somewhere else in a minute. ;)

Quote: AndreaLynne @ December 2 2009, 3:41 PM GMT

He said it was a blessing that he had used another name when writing at as he has gone on to much bigger and better things. :)

Glad it had a happy ending. Phew! :)

Quote: Tim Walker @ December 2 2009, 3:29 PM GMT

Depressing. :( Personally I am pretty useless at plotting out a story and a scene structure in advance. I take a one line idea for a plot and then just run with it, see where it goes. I am aware that this is not a method necessarily favoured by producers, who tend to want to know upfront what the story is going to be about.

God, that's how I write and I often burn out. When I try to plan, I just get frustrated and give up. Is there a third way? Errr

Quote: Leevil @ December 2 2009, 3:48 PM GMT

God, that's how I write and I often burn out. When I try to plan, I just get frustrated and give up. Is there a third way? Errr

Get a ghost writer.

Quote: Leevil @ December 2 2009, 3:48 PM GMT

God, that's how I write and I often burn out. When I try to plan, I just get frustrated and give up. Is there a third way? Errr

Writing that way can lead you to finding yourself 20 pages in with no discernable plot, but it doesn't have to be that way. I try to nail the opening one or two scenes so that everything else will lead from them. It's a balancing act, requiring you to "go with the flow" as you write, but always to be thinking about scene structure and working out as you go along how this is becoming a story. I always tend to overwrite any first draft then get out a massive pair or editing shears, so I also have to be pretty ruthless on what I've written. Often the plot really gets going on draft 2.

Quote: Tim Walker @ December 2 2009, 3:35 PM GMT

a good team of producers et cetera around one

Agents, of course, can also be very maternal/paternal towards one.

Of course, one has to be careful that one doesn't write a load of brown-nosing bollocks, otherwise one will have one's 'card marked'.

;)

Quote: Tim Walker @ December 2 2009, 3:52 PM GMT

Writing that way can lead you to finding yourself 20 pages in with no discernable plot.

I can beat that at 232 pages and sixty thousand words. :(

Quote: Marc P @ December 2 2009, 3:50 PM GMT

Get a ghost writer.

Like Stephen King?

Quote: Morrace @ December 2 2009, 3:52 PM GMT

Of course, one has to be careful that one doesn't write a load of brown-nosing bollocks, otherwise one will have one's 'card marked'.

;)

You've got me bang-to-rights, Morrace. I'm the king of brown-nosing, massaging egos and playing my cards close to my chest. Indiscretion is the enemy of success is the way I view it. 'Softly softly catchy monkey' has been a motto that has served me well. Rolling eyes ;)

Quote: Marc P @ December 2 2009, 3:54 PM GMT

I can beat that at 232 pages and sixty thousand words. :(

And then he started chapter 2!

Dan

Quote: Marc P @ December 2 2009, 3:54 PM GMT

I can beat that at 232 pages and sixty thousand words. :(

Even I consider that a little too long for a half hour sitcom, Marc.

Quote: Tim Walker @ December 2 2009, 3:52 PM GMT

Writing that way can lead you to finding yourself 20 pages in with no discernable plot, but it doesn't have to be that way. I try to nail the opening one or two scenes so that everything else will lead from them. It's a balancing act, requiring you to "go with the flow" as you write, but always to be thinking about scene structure and working out as you go along how this is becoming a story. I always tend to overwrite any first draft then get out a massive pair or editing shears, so I also have to be pretty ruthless on what I've written. Often the plot really gets going on draft 2.

My current sitcom script doesn't have my heart in it. The idea was to just try and write one, as if it were a job. I got about *20 pages in* >_< and got stuck on the relationship of a certain character. This caused me to block and loose the rhythm I had writing it. The more I thought about it, the more I hated it.

And then I cut myself :)

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