Quote: sootyj @ November 29 2009, 10:48 PM GMTAnd once more MarkP leaps upon his mighty white charger Chivalry.
Male chauvinist rotters beware!
That's Marc with a C. 
And there is something old fashioned and enjoyable about Miranda, upbeat. And talking of chivalry I am also enjoying Merlin which shares some of it's values. This weekend's episode in the current series was, like Miranda, quite farcical in places, in a good way, and they are getting some great acting talent in it.
As soon as Miranda appears on our TV Mr Dagger turns it to another station. He doesn't usually have control of the TV, but for some reason this programme really irks him. However, he's a big fan of Sally Phillips so he might now watch it if I mention that next time.
Oh I can understand there are people who don't like the show. And trying to persuade somebody that they should find it funny is probaby as asinine, but absolutely not quite, as someone else trying to persuade someone they shouldn't. Some reasoned discussion is all good though. For example I never found Ronnie Barker as attractive as, say, Sally Phillips, he was still hilarious though. 
Mind you, beauty like comedy is very much in the eye of the beholder. Did Mister D like Jam and Jerusalem?
I have noticed that a lot of the most vociferous detractors of her sitcom are men. Mrs Dagger gives another example of one. Is it possible that this kind of post Anne Summers party, women centred comedy automatically turns men off? Is the sitcom genre one last bastion of male sovereignty that some of them/us are unwilling to let go without, at the very least, a derisory put down or two? Miranda seems to have revived the old battle of the sexes somewhat. Methinks.
Quote: Marc P @ November 30 2009, 9:00 AM GMTDid Mister D like Jam and Jerusalem?
Not particularly, but did used to like French and Saunders.
Quote: Alfred J Kipper @ November 30 2009, 9:07 AM GMTI have noticed that a lot of the most vociferous detractors of her sitcom are men. Mrs Dagger gives another example of one. Is it possible that this kind of post Anne Summers party, women centred comedy automatically turns men off? Is the sitcom genre one last bastion of male sovereignty that some of them/us are unwilling to let go without, at the very least, a derisory put down or two? Miranda seems to have revived the old battle of the sexes somewhat. Methinks.
I think it may appeal less to some men, just because the central character is female and it's not an 'edgy' show.
I totally agree, some men (not all, but some) just don't like the idea of the nation's jester being a female. I believe it is instinctive in some men to be turned off by female humour. Victoria Wood is perhaps the classic female humourist that irked (some) men most.
Quote: Alfred J Kipper @ November 30 2009, 9:27 AM GMTI totally agree, some men (not all, but some) just don't like the idea of the nation's jester being a female. I believe it is instinctive in some men to be turned off by female humour. Victoria Wood is perhaps the classic female humourist that irked (some) men most.
Although I don't think that's true of Mr Dagger - he thinks I'm hilarious. He's just put off by how old-fashioned the show looks.
A lot of others here have said the same. For me, it's probably the show's main charm, that and the woman herself. Why does comedy have to be 'edgy' to be funny? It simply doesn't.
Comedy is like a box of chocolates.
I don't know about women being the central characters putting off men. I just think it's taste. Don't like Miranda, don't like Victoria Wood stand up but loved Dinner Ladies, AbFab which had ladieees as central characters. So there 
Yes, and I'd say 'Miranda' is a coffee cream, not to everyone's tastes and a bit of a throwback to 1970s chocs.
And while I'm at it I really hate the ending to Miranda where they all wave at the camera. It's as if they're saying 'You know, it's not real, it's just a sit-com'. It's evil and the producer should be shot for allowing it. Not an over-reaction I don't think
And why has my bear gone dark? Is it supposed to be some kind of techno reverse Michael Jackson effect or something?
It's a retro thing - lots of 1970s sitcoms did this. We've gone back to the 70s. Her numerous asides give it away as a sitcom anyway. I don't know about dark, but he does look slightly out of focus to me.
Can't wait for episode 4. Sadly I have to. A whole 8 hours.
Quote: IT David @ November 29 2009, 11:46 PM GMTAlthough I wouldn't agree with the use of langauge I totally agree with MP re your harsh criticism of one of the greatest television shows to grace our screens since the incomparable My Family at the tern of the century.
It was a spelling typo David I meant to write twit. These things happen.
