Quote: Leevil @ November 27 2009, 8:24 PM GMTMines not, I self-harm every time I get the latest Rihanna single.
So do I, it's a wonder I get to the radio to turn it off sometimes.
I read the news today oh boy! Page 54
Personally, I don't download music at all any more, legally or otherwise. Spotify is the way to go.
I just sing to myself. I ain't risking anything!
Quote: Griff @ November 27 2009, 8:25 PM GMTCos that happens.
Anyway, I give up on you all. You are officially a lost cause.
The problem is people have had it for to long. Free music downloading has been going on since the internet started. People are now set on it. Why do you think mp3 players exist?
All they need is a cheap decent alternative, like iPlayer and problem is solved. Reliability and speed of service will win out over trojan ridden divx files. The problem is the method it's been approached.
Quote: Griff @ November 27 2009, 8:25 PM GMTCos that happens.
It doesn't. I was just giving you a better simile. My point was that people, according to the research I referred to, do try before they buy when it comes to music.
Quote: Griff @ November 27 2009, 7:16 PM GMTNo, Sootyj isn't alone in this.
People stealing other people's work without their consent is not good.
Artists have a right to be aggrieved that this happens.
The self-justifications of the thieves can and should be disregarded.
That is all.
Griff, the issue isn't with filesharing per se (here anyway), it's with the method they are proposing to combat it. It is wrong on so many levels.
Quote: Griff @ November 27 2009, 8:31 PM GMTWell I shall be watching my pockets very carefully on the 12th Mr.Murphy.
Is that where you keep your intellectual property?
Quote: Moonstone @ November 27 2009, 8:31 PM GMTGriff, the issue isn't with filesharing per se (here anyway), it's with the method they are proposing to combat it. It is wrong on so many levels.
Exactly. Which is the point most people are skating over.
Quote: sootyj @ November 27 2009, 1:07 PM GMT1 Intellectual property theft=Bad.
2 Government enforcing pseudo laws outside the judicial system=Also bad
No one disagrees. But which of the two is the greater evil?
(Not a Harry Hill moment.)
Quote: DaButt @ November 27 2009, 6:29 PM GMTA touching story that brought tears to my eyes. I hope the troops from Canada, Australia and the UK are similarly honored back home.
Quite unlikely.
Quote: Griff @ November 27 2009, 7:34 PM GMTThis is another piece of nonsense regularly trotted out to justify piracy.
No it's not. It may very well be nonsense, but it's used to put piracy in context, particularly against ridiculous claims regularly trotted out by organisations and people like Geffen; not to justify it.
Quote: Griff @ November 27 2009, 7:34 PM GMTXTC, Tom Waits, Kate Bush... there are lots of artists whose core product is music created in a studio, and who should not be required to tour and sell mugs and T-shirts in order to make up for the lost revenue from everybody stealing their recordings.
Quite frankly, Kate Bush should be thankful for whatever the hell she manages to get, whether it's lessened by piracy or not.
Quote: Griff @ November 27 2009, 7:59 PM GMTHey, here's a bunch of artists "whining" about piracy. http://www.musicunited.org/3_artists.html http://www.p2pon.com/2009/03/18/bono-speaks-against-file-sharing/ http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/lily-allen-filesharing-is-not-fair-1787582.html http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8267142.stm
Bono is as about as grounded in reality as Tony Blair, and Lily Allen is a naive little girl whose misunderstanding of piracy and of labels' money is on show every time she opens her gob on the matter!
Quote: Aaron @ November 27 2009, 8:58 PM GMTLily Allen is a naive little girl whose misunderstanding of piracy and of labels' money is on show every time she opens her gob on the matter!
Fit though.
Quote: Kevin Murphy @ November 27 2009, 8:13 PM GMTThere's a fair bit of research suggesting that people who pirate music also buy more of it.
Indeed. I buy a lot of DVDs that I wouldn't have if I hadn't seen an episode or two of the series via downloads previously, and I know from talking to others that they do the same for music. I've also bought a lot of books after checking out e- versions first, and ditto on some software. Certainly not all people who illegally download content then go on to buy it, but I'm sure that it's a higher percentage than the industries would have you believe.
Quote: Griff @ November 27 2009, 8:25 PM GMTCos that happens.
You're right, it does. I know I've bought magazines after reading them cover-to-cover, and bought books after reading substantial amounts (often horrendously priced computer books, with only a few chapters that I'm actually interested in).
Why can't I see your bit of flag any more?
Quote: Gavin @ November 27 2009, 8:29 PM GMTThe problem is people have had it for to long. Free music downloading has been going on since the internet started. People are now set on it. Why do you think mp3 players exist?
All they need is a cheap decent alternative, like iPlayer and problem is solved. Reliability and speed of service will win out over trojan ridden divx files. The problem is the method it's been approached.
Hear hear. The music industry grows further detached from its audience by the month. Occasionally they attempt a bit of catch up, but with such a fundamental misunderstanding of delivery methods, technology, and peoples' desires, they inevitably give up and withdraw to the lawyers.
Quote: Griff @ November 27 2009, 8:56 PM GMTOn the contrary, the argument that "well musicians should switch to earning their money from playing live and stop whining about having their recordings stolen" is very widely used as a justification for piracy.
Not anywhere I've seen. Perhaps you've picked that up in trade papers though.
Quote: Griff @ November 27 2009, 8:56 PM GMTYep, that's right. Someone's right to earn money from their music is determined by whether you happen to like it or not.
So glad you agree. 
Quote: Gavin @ November 27 2009, 8:59 PM GMTFit though.
Quote: Griff @ November 27 2009, 9:00 PM GMTHow do you earn a living, Aaron?
I don't. But I know where you're going with this, and so I'd like to point out again that I agree it's a crime.
Quote: Moonstone @ November 27 2009, 9:10 PM GMTWhy can't I see your bit of flag any more?
My server's f**ked. Hoepfully it'll be back at some point.
Quote: Aaron @ November 27 2009, 9:18 PM GMTI don't. But I know where you're going with this, and so I'd like to point out again that I agree it's a crime.
Agreed. That's not what I'm concerned about at all with this bill.