Quote: Aaron @ November 26 2009, 7:15 PM GMTNevermind the mainstream artists who started their careers be self-publishing on MySpace and the like.
Lily Allen, IIRC. Arctic Monkeys. Other such turdery.
Which is why the internet is so wonderful.
The current government has a depressing lack of faith in it's own courts and processes.
They may be wrong about this process, but the principle isn't/
Quote: sootyj @ November 26 2009, 10:12 PM GMTWhich is why the internet is so wonderful.
The current government has a depressing lack of faith in it's own courts and processes.
They may be wrong about this process, but the principle isn't/
I sense you're so alone in this. I bet when they finally try microchipping us you'll be over the moon.
Ok for the slightly more simple minded here we go.
1 Intellectual property theft=Bad.
2 Government enforcing pseudo laws outside the judicial system=Also bad
e.g. IP theft should be a crime, but tried in courts effectively.
A touching story that brought tears to my eyes. I hope the troops from Canada, Australia and the UK are similarly honored back home.
Friday Morning at the Pentagon
By JOSEPH L. GALLOWAY
McClatchy NewspapersOver the last 12 months, 1,042 soldiers, Marines, sailors and Air Force personnel have given their lives in the terrible duty that is war. Thousands more have come home on stretchers, horribly wounded and facing months or years in military hospitals.
This week, I'm turning my space over to a good friend and former roommate, Army Lt. Col. Robert Bateman, who recently completed a yearlong tour of duty in Iraq and is now back at the Pentagon.
Here's Lt. Col. Bateman's account of a little-known ceremony that fills the halls of the Army corridor of the Pentagon with cheers, applause and many tears every Friday morning. It first appeared on May 17 on the Weblog of media critic and pundit Eric Alterman at the Media Matters for America Website.
"It is 110 yards from the "E" ring to the "A" ring of the Pentagon. This section of the Pentagon is newly renovated; the floors shine, the hallway is broad, and the lighting is bright. At this instant the entire length of the corridor is packed with officers, a few sergeants and some civilians, all crammed tightly three and four deep against the walls. There are thousands here.
This hallway, more than any other, is the 'Army' hallway. The G3 offices line one side, G2 the other, G8 is around the corner. All Army. Moderate conversations flow in a low buzz. Friends who may not have seen each other for a few weeks, or a few years, spot each other, cross the way and renew.
Everyone shifts to ensure an open path remains down the center. The air conditioning system was not designed for this press of bodies in this area.
The temperature is rising already. Nobody cares. "10:36 hours: The clapping starts at the E-Ring. That is the outermost of the five rings of the Pentagon and it is closest to the entrance to the building. This clapping is low, sustained, hearty. It is applause with a deep emotion behind it as it moves forward in a wave down the length of the hallway.
"A steady rolling wave of sound it is, moving at the pace of the soldier in the wheelchair who marks the forward edge with his presence. He is the first. He is missing the greater part of one leg, and some of his wounds are still suppurating. By his age I expect that he is a private, or perhaps a private first class.
"Captains, majors, lieutenant colonels and colonels meet his gaze and nod as they applaud, soldier to soldier. Three years ago when I described one of these events, those lining the hallways were somewhat different. The applause a little wilder, perhaps in private guilt for not having shared in the burden ... yet.
"Now almost everyone lining the hallway is, like the man in the wheelchair, also a combat veteran. This steadies the applause, but I think deepens the sentiment. We have all been there now. The soldier's chair is pushed by, I believe, a full colonel.
"Behind him, and stretching the length from Rings E to A, come more of his peers, each private, corporal, or sergeant assisted as need be by a field grade officer.
"11:00 hours: Twenty-four minutes of steady applause. My hands hurt, and I laugh to myself at how stupid that sounds in my own head. My hands hurt... Please! Shut up and clap. For twenty-four minutes, soldier after soldier has come down this hallway - 20, 25, 30.... Fifty-three legs come with them, and perhaps only 52 hands or arms, but down this hall came 30 solid hearts.
They pass down this corridor of officers and applause, and then meet for a private lunch, at which they are the guests of honor, hosted by the generals. Some are wheeled along.... Some insist upon getting out of their chairs, to march as best they can with their chin held up, down this hallway, through this most unique audience. Some are catching handshakes and smiling like a politician at a Fourth of July parade. More than a couple of them seem amazed and are smiling shyly.
"There are families with them as well: the 18-year-old war-bride pushing her 19-year-old husband's wheelchair and not quite understanding why her husband is so affected by this, the boy she grew up with, now a man, who had never shed a tear is crying; the older immigrant Latino parents who have, perhaps more than their wounded mid-20s son, an appreciation for the emotion given on their son's behalf. No man in that hallway, walking or clapping, is ashamed by the silent tears on more than a few cheeks. An Airborne Ranger wipes his eyes only to better see. A couple of the officers in this crowd have themselves been a part of this parade in the past.
These are our men, broken in body they may be, but they are our brothers, and we welcome them home. This parade has gone on, every single Friday, all year long, for more than four years.
"Did you know that?
The media haven't yet told the story."
V/R TK
TOM KUNK
COL, GS
Division Chief for ODO
HQDA, G3/5/7
Quote: Aaron @ November 26 2009, 8:17 PM GMTRecord companies often own the studios - and make the artists pay for the time in them.
Fact is, they offer less and less to the process. They're just massive, bloated, glorified marketing companies.
Actually the days of major record companies having their own studios are well and truly over.
If you want that sort of system you'll have to go independent.
And when the law crashes down on our heads because people couldn't restrain themselves...tough.
Quote: Griff @ November 27 2009, 7:16 PM GMTNo, Sootyj isn't alone in this.
People stealing other people's work without their consent is not good.
Artists have a right to be aggrieved that this happens.
The self-justifications of the thieves can and should be disregarded.
That is all.
Yeah but one factor you are forgetting is this: When it comes to music and major label's, the artist isnt getting shit on sales with royalties. Most bands get their revenue from LIVE perfomances.
Ok.
Q: Although "Wilco (The Album)" was released on Tuesday, you streamed the songs free online in May after they surfaced illegally on the Internet.
Jeff Tweedy: As a musician, I don't want to expend any energy whatsoever preventing people from hearing our music. I think that's antithetical to the idea of making it. Yes, we streamed it. Basically we set it up so people who felt guilty about stealing our music could donate some money to our favourite charity.
Do a little research and you'll find that the people whining the loudest about piracy are the labels and their lawyers, not the artists. You'll also find that the entertainment industry is raking in record profits, but that doesn't stop the moaning.
I don't miss the days of $21 CDs (and that was the mid-90s) at all.
*steals Griff's work*
Wait, this is just hate list!
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I'm number 34! 
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What have you got against Peter Sallis?
There's a fair bit of research suggesting that people who pirate music also buy more of it.
Quote: Griff @ November 27 2009, 7:59 PM GMTAnyway, if your conscience is clear, you keep on with stealing other people's work. Don't mind me.
I spend at least $5000 per year on music, videos and books, all of which I could pirate if I chose to. My conscience is VERY clear.
I also know many people who make their livings as musicians and not a single one of them would want someone thrown in jail for downloading their new album. They love making music and they love it when people listen to their artwork. They'd like to get paid in the process and, amazingly, they all do. I'm sure they hate to lose a confirmed sale (I've downloaded lots of music and video that I never would have paid for -- or even been allowed to pay for, in some cases) but nobody wants to see people arrested for downloading a few songs.
As far as your list of musicians go, I was surprised to see Trent Reznor on it.
"Steal it. Steal away."
Quote: Griff @ November 27 2009, 8:15 PM GMTThat's like saying people who shoplift from supermarkets often stop to buy some fags at the kiosk when they've finished.
No it isn't.
It's like saying somebody reads a book cover to cover in the shop, then buys it.
Quote: Griff @ November 27 2009, 8:22 PM GMTOf that, I have no doubt.
Mines not, I self-harm every time I get the latest Rihanna single. 