Quote: DaButt @ November 25 2009, 2:02 PM GMTmy mother has overheard women discussing the best way to create a self-inflicted "wound" in order to have their husbands removed by the cops.
There was a case a few years ago where a woman was caught, on CCTV I think, talking about how she had framed her husband for domestic violence. It's a doubly sinister crime, both for the wrongly-accused men, and the distrust it must cause in genuine reports.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ November 25 2009, 2:54 PM GMTMore like embarrassed, ashamed and socially discouraged. If you call the police out because your wife has hit you - then the cops, the doctors, the female nurses, your friends and even your family will all view you as less of a man and possibly a figure of ridicule.
I imagine the ridicule rate would approach 100% amongst your male friends. I doubt many women would have the same reaction upon hearing that a female friend had been beaten by her husband.
Double standards! Men and women are different! It's not fair! Aaaarrrggghhh!
Of course, if you're Harriet Harman, Jacqui Smith, or any other female Labour MP, you probably believe that it's impossible for women to be violent towards men. They need the most relentless beatings of all.
Quote: Nogget @ November 25 2009, 2:58 PM GMTThere was a case a few years ago where a woman was caught, on CCTV I think, talking about how she had framed her husband for domestic violence. It's a doubly sinister crime, both for the wrongly-accused men, and the distrust it must cause in genuine reports.
Don't even get me started on how easy it is for a woman to accuse a man of sexual harassment/assault ...
Quote: DaButt @ November 25 2009, 3:01 PM GMTDon't even get me started on how easy it is for a woman to accuse a man of sexual harassment/assault ...
Certainly the perception is that it's very easy to do, and happens in almost every case, since only a tiny percentage of reported rapes result in prosecution. I think I'll bow out of this though, before it inevitably becomes so heated that posters end up hating each other/ banned.
Quote: Nogget @ November 25 2009, 3:05 PM GMTI think I'll bow out of this though, before it inevitably becomes so heated that posters end up hating each other/ banned.
Yeah, I wish I never started this now. No doubt a female forum member will barge in, play the emotional card, invoke the guilts with a personal harrowing story before virtually crying and then storming off.
The fact that 1/3rd of the victims were men will have nothing to do with it, this is an issue that mainly effects women, so the opinions of the male gender are irrelevent, marginialised and worthless. Bit like those blokes who get beat up by their wives.
Some women certainly make malicious complaints and vast amounts of time are wasted by social services and the police investigating malicious complaints. Most of the time the complainer loses their nerve, but some times the end result can be horrible.
The police are starting to prosecute these people and that can only be a good thing.
But if you're drunk in bed with someone with no clothes on..
Then a rape charge should be hard to bring.
The law should not take the place of common sense and personal responsibility.
Quote: DaButt @ November 25 2009, 3:01 PM GMTDon't even get me started on how easy it is for a woman to accuse a man of sexual harassment/assault ...
I've investigated these things and it's getting harder. Partuicularly when employers invoke malicious grievance clauses.
I don't think it's a case of people being "thick" because they stay with their abusive partners. They're too scared/ashamed to leave. A lot of the time they've been effectively brainwashed by the abusive partner into thinking they are so worthless they deserve it. Or they've been cut off from family and friends and feel they have nowhere else to go.
Quote: sootyj @ November 25 2009, 3:25 PM GMTThe law should not take the place of common sense and personal responsibility.
I wish someone would tell that to the Labour Party.
Some women do look out for abusive partners and some for child abusing partners. As having kids is the only attractive thing about them.
Quote: Aaron @ November 25 2009, 3:27 PM GMTI wish someone would tell that to the Labour Party.
I hate to say it but I'm starting to feel this way. I doubt DaveyC is any better.
But being involved in safe guarding stuff at work, the casual contempt for the law and human rights is starting to depress me.
Innocent until proven guilty is going the way of the dinosaur.
Quote: sootyj @ November 25 2009, 3:29 PM GMTInnocent until proven guilty is going the way of the dinosaur.
When did you stop beating your wife, sootyj?
When she died, it just seemed pointless.
9 out 10 Harley St professionals agree that most tricks like a touch of violence.
The thing for me isn't just this is shit government policy or our spineless courts do nothing (I for one am sick of European courts bailing us out). But it is the bovine acceptance of so much of this bullshit, professionals who should be stnading up for themselves or their clients just shut up and put up.
Quote: bamalamafizzvaj @ November 25 2009, 3:26 PM GMTI don't think it's a case of people being "thick" because they stay with their abusive partners. They're too scared/ashamed to leave. A lot of the time they've been effectively brainwashed by the abusive partner into thinking they are so worthless they deserve it. Or they've been cut off from family and friends and feel they have nowhere else to go.
Apologies bamalamafizzvaj, I should have subsituted the word 'thick' for weak willed, low self esteem, afraid to be alone and incapable of standing on their own two feet. And that is aimed at both genders - I know plenty of blokes who fall into that category.
In cases of domestic abuse, my feelings are split - there are those who are genuine victims - arranged marriages, culturally taboo, partner takes up drink / drugs, etc. In which case, they should be given all the help and support that is physically possible.
And the 'what the hell is wrong with you?' camp - where the person in question is warned by everyone that loves them - family, friends, even ex-partners - not to go out, live with or marry a certain individual with anti-social, criminal or violent behaviour. Yet, they still do it anyway and cut off any support structure that they might have needed for the future.
Back to the original topic - will teaching children that domestic abuse against women is wrong change anything? Well, let's hope so.