Government 'Tackles ' Domestic Violence

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8376943.stm

It's Daily Mail / Talk Radio time as I put this partridge amongst the pigeons.

To quote the Beeb website - 'The latest Home Office figures suggest that in one year, 106 people were killed by a current or former partner. But the overwhelming majority, 72 of them, were women.'

By my most basic maths, 34 men were killed also, but it's unclear whether they were murdered by violent women or violent gay partners.

My blinkered, ignorant and knee jerk view in a nutshell -

Men who hit women are scum
Men who hit women are mainly foreign-y, ethnic-y types
Men who hit women probably have a history of abuse / mental problems
Men who hit women probably have a drink / drug problem

On the flipside -

Some women seek out abusive partners
Some women act as enablers for their abusive partners
Some women are 'too in love' - i.e. 'thick as shit' to leave an abusive partner
Some women initiate the violence against their partners

Gay on Gay Violence -

Makes everyone uncomfortable, sweep it under the carpet, we don't want to know

Finally -

It has nothing to do with drink, drugs, culture, ignorance, etc., it's all the fault of letting kids beat up virtual hookers on Grand Theft Auto IV. Ah GTA 4, are there any of society's ills that we can't blame you for? God bless you, you panacea.

106 is not a lot of people to be murdered in the greater scheme of things.

N.B. Stockholm syndrome where one identifies with the object of danger/violence is extremely well documented. Not to mention just how hard it is to leave a dnagerous partner and feel you and your children will be safe.

Our back to front policing policies encourage invvestigation/prosecution of criminals. Not prevention of possible crimes.

One's abuse has to be pretty awful before you move into a refuge. Not to mention a deep lack of faccilities for people from Muslim, traveller families etc.

Quote: sootyj @ November 25 2009, 1:42 PM GMT

Not to mention a deep lack of faccilities for people from Muslim, traveller families etc.

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By facilities, do you mean swords for cutting off hands and toddler sized boxing rings?

Carpark, you seem to be ignoring lesbo-on-lesbo violence. Pray, why?

No faccilities that people would be prepared to use and wouldn't make them feel completely isolated from their community (or rejected for using them).

Albeit a traveller one could probably use an abandoned caravan park in the winter.

Quote: Kevin Murphy @ November 25 2009, 1:49 PM GMT

Carpark, you seem to be ignoring lesbo-on-lesbo violence. Pray, why?

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Ignore it? I think you'll find that my PayPal account and Internet history actually encourages it.

Quote: sootyj @ November 25 2009, 1:42 PM GMT

Our back to front policing policies encourage invvestigation/prosecution of criminals. Not prevention of possible crimes.

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So, it's the fault of the police / law / government that scumbag blokes punch their thick girlfriends in the head?

Now that you've informed me that potential arrest is unlikely, I think I'll go out and start hitting women - I mean, that was the only thing holding me back.

I assume your domestic violence laws are at least as strict as ours. Over here, if any member of a household or relationship commits even the most basic assault (grabs an arm, pushes someone out of the way, etc.) he she is guaranteed an arrest and at least one night in jail. It's a good idea to separate angry people, but the police officer's judgment has been completely removed from the equation and a lot of innocent people (usually men) wind up behind bars.

My mother spends a lot of time volunteering at a shelter for battered women. Take my word for it, there are some heartbreaking stories out there. But my mother has overheard women discussing the best way to create a self-inflicted "wound" in order to have their husbands removed by the cops. The favourite method appears to be whacking yourself on the arm 4 times with a wooden spoon in order to create the appearance of a slap.

Cops seem to be wising up and now they often take both participants to jail.

I'd say alcohol, hot tempers & big mouths, financial difficulties, ethnic customs and passion are the leading causes of domestic violence.

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ November 25 2009, 1:55 PM GMT

Now that you've informed me that potential arrest is unlikely, I think I'll go out and start hitting women - I mean, that was the only thing holding me back.

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No but if getting some one away from an abusive partner prevents a crime, surely that's better? Than waiting till the crimes taken place?

And people don't get stuck in difficult situations because they're thick, sometimes life just sucks and you get unlucky.

The way the police handle domestic violence in this country is changing, but very slowly.

The big problem wasn't the police coming out and arresting people, it was the lack of abused partners willing to come forward and prosecute thier violent spouses.

Also domestic crimes are the hardest to investigate. I have often been astonished by the level of tolerance some women have for abuse of themselves and their children.

Even to the extent of ebing jealous of the sexually abused child.

People are f**ked up we should kill more of them.

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ November 25 2009, 2:09 PM GMT

The big problem wasn't the police coming out and arresting people, it was the lack of abused partners willing to come forward and prosecute thier violent spouses.

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Same here. It's due to one or more of the following reasons:

1) They're abusers themselves.

2) They have psychological issues and think that abuse is normal/necessary.

3) Their religion says it's acceptable.

4) They're thick (sorry, sooty) and think there's no way out.

Quote: sootyj @ November 25 2009, 2:09 PM GMT

And people don't get stuck in difficult situations because they're thick, sometimes life just sucks and you get unlucky.

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That is also quite true, I know a womon who was attacked by a violent ex-boyfriend - the weird thing was that the guy was only violent after the girl had dumped him.

But after doing some digging, I found out the guy involved was well known for being an arsehole and doing drugs - so in some ways, my sympathy for her diminished because she sought out that particular type of guy.

I'm fully aware that on occassion, there are blameless victims, but they're more the exception then the rule.

However, I think the real reason this is being brought into schools is because of the huge immigration over the last few years, it's well documented that domestic abuse levels are much higher in certain communities.

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ November 25 2009, 1:37 PM GMT

By my most basic maths, 34 men were killed also, but it's unclear whether they were murdered by violent women or violent gay partners.

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What about women murdered by lezzer women?

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ November 25 2009, 1:37 PM GMT

My blinkered, ignorant and knee jerk view in a nutshell -

Men who hit women are scum
Men who hit women are mainly foreign-y, ethnic-y types
Men who hit women probably have a history of abuse / mental problems
Men who hit women probably have a drink / drug problem

On the flipside -

Some women seek out abusive partners
Some women act as enablers for their abusive partners
Some women are 'too in love' - i.e. 'thick as shit' to leave an abusive partner
Some women initiate the violence against their partners

Gay on Gay Violence -

Makes everyone uncomfortable, sweep it under the carpet, we don't want to know.

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Women who hit men are asking for it

Quote: DaButt @ November 25 2009, 2:02 PM GMT

It's a good idea to separate angry people, but the police officer's judgment has been completely removed from the equation and a lot of innocent people (usually men) wind up behind bars.

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Because the men are too cool-headed, calm and reasonable to go crying to Big Brother when females attack them.

Quote: sootyj @ November 25 2009, 2:12 PM GMT

People are f**ked up we should kill more of them.

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Let's start with the travellers gyppos.

Quote: Aaron @ November 25 2009, 2:46 PM GMT

Because the men are too cool-headed, calm and reasonable to go crying to Big Brother when females attack them.

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More like embarrassed, ashamed and socially discouraged. If you call the police out because your wife has hit you - then the cops, the doctors, the female nurses, your friends and even your family will all view you as less of a man and possibly a figure of ridicule.

Of course, go the other way and defend yourself from an attacking woman, then you're the one going to jail, you violent wife beating scumbag bastard!

Probably true.

Bloody women.

I kicked girls at school. I was a proper rebel.