Things you like, but know you shouldn't really... Page 23

Quote: Dolly Dagger @ November 9 2009, 4:59 PM GMT

Tell that to people who have been raped or suffered years of abuse.

I just think you're all kidding yourselves to some degree to make yourselves feel better and there's not a lot more I can say.

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If I were to see a decent study that strongly suggested a causal link between porn and rape I could easily believe there was such a link. It makes common sense. But so does a lot of stuff that isn't true. As it happens, I've only ever seen opposite or inconclusive data.

Quote: Dolly Dagger @ November 9 2009, 4:56 PM GMT

But it has changed over the years. I'm not going to go into details but certain acts are now considered mainstream.

And you only have to read the text to see that women are being seen as really stupid idiots - there's a real misogyny there.

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Those certain acts you are alluding to have been around for thousands of years, in fact, one of those acts was commonplace so a woman would keep her hymen intact for her future husband. The Greeks, the Romans and the good old Sodomites were way pervier then we are now.

As for the text - 'This is Foxxy, she is a theoretical physicist working on the Hadron Super Collider, enjoys reading the collected works of Plato - and she likes big cocks stuffed up her chuff-hole!' Which of these salient facts will be most important to a masturbating male?

Is it misogyny if a woman is described as liking and craving sex?

Quote: Moonstone @ November 9 2009, 5:00 PM GMT

Is that what I did??

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Seemed like it by likening it to something else I've forgotten....

Anyway I'm going out with a porn director next week, so I'll let you know what he says and I've got a new job.

Haha!

Will you be waxing or airbrushing?

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ November 9 2009, 5:02 PM GMT

Is it misogyny if a woman is described as liking and craving sex?

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They do it in a nasty, piss-taking way though as you so nicely gave an example of.

Quote: Dolly Dagger @ November 9 2009, 4:59 PM GMT

Tell that to people who have been raped or suffered years of abuse.

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Aright, you line them up and I'll tell them.

Quote: Dolly Dagger @ November 9 2009, 4:59 PM GMT

I just think you're all kidding yourselves to some degree to make yourselves feel better and there's not a lot more I can say.

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What've we got to feel better about? Ok, like I said, I don't use porn very much so perhaps am slightly 'out' in my perspective in comparison to other people, but I can safely say that I've nothing to hide, nothing that I feel ashamed about, nothing... well, you get the picture.

Quote: zooo @ November 9 2009, 5:04 PM GMT

Haha!

Will you be waxing or airbrushing?

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Depends on the money.

I like the fact that because most of us don't agree with you Dolly we're all 'kidding ourselves' or 'in denial'. No, we just don't agree, nothing more to it.

Quote: Dolly Dagger @ November 9 2009, 5:05 PM GMT

Depends on the money.

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If you do go for the airbrushing Dolly tell them that it is done after the shoot, it's a mistake a lot of naive models fall for.

Quote: Dolly Dagger @ November 9 2009, 4:52 PM GMT

The ladies were often airbrused rather than waxed

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What, with Photoshop '52?

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ November 9 2009, 5:02 PM GMT

Those certain acts you are alluding to have been around for thousands of years, in fact, one of those acts was commonplace so a woman would keep her hymen intact for her future husband. The Greeks, the Romans and the good old Sodomites were way pervier then we are now.

As for the text - 'This is Foxxy, she is a theoretical physicist working on the Hadron Super Collider, enjoys reading the collected works of Plato - and she likes big cocks stuffed up her chuff-hole!' Which of these salient facts will be most important to a masturbating male?

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Quote: Dolly Dagger @ November 9 2009, 4:54 PM GMT

Please explain how and why people use pornography then. If it's not to get sexually aroused I've obviously missed something.

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Aroused, yes. To see specific people, as you were originally stating, rarely. Much like films; some people will go to see something with a specific actor in, but most would go based on the genre/story. Kevin noted the exception of models just posing in photos, but for the most part men use porn to see specific acts, to release/express interests and inquisitiveness in things that they wouldn't try (by choice or by lack of chance) in real life.

Ok so in some cases it might be for 'research': that is, ideas of what positions to try with a partner, but other than that there's very little correlation between what one might look at and what one might actually do.

Your original post I questioned was:

Quote: Dolly Dagger @ November 9 2009, 2:49 PM GMT

If men really find intelligent and interesting women more attractive, why isn't there porn which includes women being intelligent and mysterious?

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Which suggests a direct correlation, and dismisses the notion of fantasy.

Leevil said "You're confusing porn with real life." and you replied:

Quote: Dolly Dagger @ November 9 2009, 2:55 PM GMT

I don't understand this statement. It features real people doing real things. Viewers get a real kick from it.

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Now, aside from anime with cartoon schoolgirls and weird multi-penised tentacled-alien creatures, of course it's real people, and last time I checked real people can only do real things. Obviously people get a kick from it or it wouldn't be there. But the implication that they can't get a kick from something if they wouldn't do it themselves is mind-boggling.

Ultimately, you're drawing - or certainly seem to be drawing - a DIRECT link between what people watch and what they do. And that link is, for the majority of the world's population, only existent within your head.

Quote: Aaron @ November 9 2009, 5:31 PM GMT

Aroused, yes. To see specific people, as you were originally stating, rarely. Much like films; some people will go to see something with a specific actor in, but most would go based on the genre/story. Kevin noted the exception of models just posing in photos, but for the most part men use porn to see specific acts, to release/express interests and inquisitiveness in things that they wouldn't try (by choice or by lack of chance) in real life.

Ok so in some cases it might be for 'research': that is, ideas of what positions to try with a partner, but other than that there's very little correlation between what one might look at and what one might actually do.

Your original post I questioned was:

Which suggests a direct correlation, and dismisses the notion of fantasy.

Leevil said "You're confusing porn with real life." and you replied:

Now, aside from anime with cartoon schoolgirls and weird multi-penised tentacled-alien creatures, of course it's real people, and last time I checked real people can only do real things. Obviously people get a kick from it or it wouldn't be there. But the implication that they can't get a kick from something if they wouldn't do it themselves is mind-boggling.

Ultimately, you're drawing - or certainly seem to be drawing - a DIRECT link between what people watch and what they do. And that link is, for the majority of the world's population, only existent within your head.

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This is all spot on. It's about seeing a fantasy acted out, seeing something vividly you've previously only imagined. Fantasies are rarely things you actually want or intend to do. It is documented that many many women have fantasies involving rape in one form or other but that doesn't mean they actually want to be raped! This, I think, is the whole point in fantasy. to explore things without restrictions and without consequences - not to make a list of things you'd like to try.

It's like if someone's going to break into your home they'll find a way no matter what precautions you take.

But I don't think watching 'The Bill' is the trigger to make them go out and do it.

Quote: Moonstone @ November 9 2009, 5:36 PM GMT

This is all spot on. It's about seeing a fantasy acted out, seeing something vividly you've previously only imagined. Fantasies are rarely things you actually want or intend to do. It is documented that many many women have fantasies involving rape in one form or other but that doesn't mean they actually want to be raped! This, I think, is the whole point in fantasy. to explore things without restrictions and without consequences - not to make a list of things you'd like to try.

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Very well put.