Quote: Leevil @ November 9 2009, 3:16 PM GMTHow can you relate the violent act of rape to porn, when the very nature of it is to simulate sex that your are not having?
Look up any rape groups and they will tell you there's a correlation. The way bodies are used as objects in porn - as you've pointed out - encourages this way of thinking.
Rape isn't about sex, it's about power. I am not saying rapists don't get ideas from porn but it's never the main cause in my opinion.
Quote: Dolly Dagger @ November 9 2009, 3:19 PM GMTLook up any rape groups and they will tell you there's a correlation.
Rape groups will point the finger anywhere they can except for the slutty clothes and disgusting morals of modern society.
*snigger*
Quote: Aaron @ November 9 2009, 3:19 PM GMTWell it's certainly not for "fantasising" about people. It's the acts.
Okay it's for fantasising about bodies. Bodies belong to people. hence most of you wouldn't wank over a picture of your naked mum.
Quote: Dolly Dagger @ November 9 2009, 3:21 PM GMTOkay it's for fantasising about bodies. Bodies belong to people. hence most of you wouldn't wank over a picture of your naked mum.
No. Not bodies. Acts.
Quote: Aaron @ November 9 2009, 3:21 PM GMTRape groups will point the finger anywhere they can except for the slutty clothes and disgusting morals of modern society.
*snigger*
For f**k's sake....
Give it a few more years people....ask yourself if you'd want your daughter involved in pornography.... and you might realise one day. 
Quote: Aaron @ November 9 2009, 3:21 PM GMTNo. Not bodies. Acts.
There's not always 'acts' going on though.
Quote: Aaron @ November 9 2009, 3:21 PM GMTNo. Not bodies. Acts.
There's plenty of porn containing only poses of attractive individuals. It's not the act of posing that people wank over.
Quote: RubyMae - Glamourous Snowdrop at Large @ November 9 2009, 3:20 PM GMTRape isn't about sex, it's about power. I am not saying rapists don't get ideas from porn but it's never the main cause in my opinion.
Many violent rapists are heavy porn users.
Quote: Dolly Dagger @ November 9 2009, 2:42 PM GMT
No, they just need to giggle occasionally and make men feel better about themselves. Most men don't want women to be smarter, more talented or interesting then them.
Who cares as long as they have more money?
Quote: Dolly Dagger @ November 9 2009, 3:16 PM GMTWhy repressed? The whole subject just seems sad to me.
When you relate porn to rape, mental health issues and accusations of infidelity you automatically tag it with a misinformed badge. Giving it a bad name, making people feel ashamed and repressing it.
Quote: Dolly Dagger @ November 9 2009, 3:16 PM GMTWould you like your girlfriend wanking over pictures of other men that she fantasies about? Would you wonder if she felt disappointed with you?
Depends if I liked that kind of thing or not. I would be hypocritical of me if I didn't like it. But if I had such insecurities, the issue would'nt be the porn, but the relationship itself.
Does it make you feel comfortable to think of Mr Dagger wanking over you, probably in some absolutely bizarre and sickening situations, does that make it better?
Quote: Dolly Dagger @ November 9 2009, 3:16 PM GMTI've seen loads of posts from women on message boards who are really hurt because of their partner's use of porn and it damages real relationships. Saying "oh it's just a bit of fantasy, really I like fat flat-chested girls with loasds of body hair as long as they're intelligent", just seems like a massive excuse IMO.
And you really like guys with a good sense of humour and all that other bollocks? We know you really want a complete arse hole, who'll push you around. See, it's easy to say things like that. [/sweeping statement]
I do believe that porn has been largely responsible for the way women are viewed by men in today society. Many men have a rather bizzare view of what a woman should look like and be like and that puts pressure on women. However I do believe that the issue when it comes to sexual drive and porn in relationships lies with the individual, not the sex industry. It's the individual who chooses to go into the shop and purchases the DVD to watch. To me, it's in the same region as blaming rap music for encouraging drug use or TV for encouraging violence. Many people have seen and heard the exact same thing and they have not all reacted in the same way. It's down to that one person.
Quote: Dolly Dagger @ November 9 2009, 3:23 PM GMTMany violent rapists are heavy porn users.
Many men are heavy porn users.
Many women are heavy porn uses.
Many men & many women watch Coronation Street.
Many rapists watch Coronation Street.
Coronation Street has featured rape.
Coronation Street is on ITV1 at 7:30 most nights.
Quote: RubyMae - Glamourous Snowdrop at Large @ November 9 2009, 3:34 PM GMTI do believe that porn has been largely responsible for the way women are viewed by men in today society. Many men have a rather bizzare view of what a woman should look like and be like and that puts pressure on women. However I do believe that the issue when it comes to sexual drive and porn in relationships lies with the individual, not the sex industry. It's the individual who chooses to go into the shop and purchases the DVD to watch. To me, it's in the same region as blaming rap music for encouraging drug use or TV for encourage violence. Many people have seen and heard the exact same thing and they have not all reacted in the same way. It's down to that one person.
This is a much more relevant point, especially in today's society. Porn doesn't encourage rape, if a person is capable of doing such act, then they'll do it, and I imagine much quicker because they have no other outlet.
I think what Ruby says here, and above posts is a better argument against porn. It sends a confusing message to young girls. I agree, but peer pressure on the boys side doesn't help either, which in turn can encourage the growth of that "bimbo" image. Some of are conditioned, like the girls to believe that that certain look, is the correct one.
On the plus side, the very dirty plus side, what porn can also do, is help us realise that there are many more different tastes out there, whatever you like, you can find it. We will no longer be ruled, by the mainstream magazines and hopefully one day, it would be obvious that any shape, size, look and colour is cool. [/hippy]
Quote: RubyMae - Glamourous Snowdrop at Large @ November 9 2009, 3:34 PM GMTI do believe that porn has been largely responsible for the way women are viewed by men in today society. Many men have a rather bizzare view of what a woman should look like and be like and that puts pressure on women. However I do believe that the issue when it comes to sexual drive and porn in relationships lies with the individual, not the sex industry. It's the individual who chooses to go into the shop and purchases the DVD to watch. To me, it's in the same region as blaming rap music for encouraging drug use or TV for encouraging violence. Many people have seen and heard the exact same thing and they have not all reacted in the same way. It's down to that one person.
I like this.
Also, there is a lot of porn out there that is genuinely entertaining. Almost comedic. I don't watch a lot of porn (ooo, look at my nose grow), but I find a lot of it as equally funny as it is arousing.
Quote: Leevil @ November 9 2009, 3:35 PM GMTMany men are heavy porn users.
Many women are heavy porn uses.
Many men & women watch Coronation Street.
Many rapists watch Coronation Street.
Coronation Street has featured rape.
Coronation Street is on ITV1 at 7:30 most nights.
I'm all for banning Corrie - in fact, all soap operas. If it means just one less woman being raped, then it would be worth it.
The problem with the porn = rape argument, is that rape has been around a lot longer then porn and it's only in recent times have we moved it up the list in terms of serious psychological harm.
When a tribe in Africa goes to war with another tribe and they rape all the women, I don't think it's because they were all watching Lesbian Butt Bangers on DVD.
Weirdly enough, Childline released new figures today showing there has been a whopping 137% rise in women molesting and abusing children. But they did say that it has more to do with young boys coming forward rather then any sudden shift amongst women.
The other problem with getting rid of porn is where do you draw the line? Many people have had problems in the past passing laws against porn because simply they have had great difficulty defining what porn actually is. For example, one defination is "An image that arouses sexual thought". Okay so by that defination you would have to remove any image that causes sexual thought. Bang goes half the art world, the advertising world, the fashion industry (all those mini skirts and Bikinis in vogue....naughty naughty) and many TV shows and movies (and sheep would have to be banned in Wales and Cornwall). It's sound really stupid and of course you can say "We know what porn is. There is a large difference between porn and art". The problem is because everyone will place that line somewhere different each time, how do you come up with a definition that pleases everyone and makes that divide distinct?
This was a debate brought up in my sexuality module that lasted four hours with no answer.