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"Mind how you go, sir!" :)

(*The picture/identity of this lovely, friendly-looking copper, is in NO WAY related to the following news item. Just in case you were confused enough to think so after reading it*)

From The Guardian, as carried in most newspapers yesterday...

Met Police Officer Cleared Of Racially Abusing Teenagers

(Perhaps the only good reason for hearing about court evidence in The Guardian is that they don't censor the swear words.)

OK, some (probably most) people think our British policemen and policewoman do a fantastic job in difficult circumstances - the bloody PC Brigade, bloody liberals, bloody government, red tape, bloody scum, string 'em up, etc. Yes, there are the occasional bad apples who spoil it for the rest of them, but overall three cheers...?

Only some of us might say that the police tend to have had a rather dodgy history of acting and considering themselves above the laws they are employed (by us, the public, who they are paid to serve) to enforce.

We can go back to various miscarriages of justice over the years, for example the West Midlands Police Force, the falsifying of evidence and confessions in various murder and terrorist cases over the years. But even in recent times we have had case after case of, at best unprofessional and, at worst, fraudulent and criminal behaviour by our police force. (At this point, yes, I do know that these police officers were found "not guilty". But reading the report I think makes it clear that this is not necessarily an open-and-shut case.)

Not just the de Menezes shooting, there was also the death of Ian Tomlinson at the G20 protests (where fellow officers tried to provide a false cover story as to how the guy became "unwell"). There have been numerous cases of armed officers shooting unarmed defendants/suspects under rather contentious circumstances. If a copper gets caught speeding, drink driving or if accused of assault etc, then somehow they do always seem to get found either not guilty or there is a "technicality" which leads to the case being dismissed. (The recent conviction of the speeding police officer, who killed a woman and actually did get sent to jail due to his terrible recklessness, was the exception that rather proved the rule.)

When complaints are lodged against the police, it is amazing how many times evidence is "lost" or the PCC rejects the complaint. Even if they refer it to the local Constabulary, usually no disciplinary action is taken by the officer's superiors. The CPS seems to hardly ever find that it is "in the public's interest" to prosecute servicing police officers.

Reading the above case just makes me ever more convinced that there's a subset of police officers (and I would say the "foot soldiers" are the worst) who not only are still basically racist/thick (there unfortunately will always be those it seems), but actually seem to exist in a culture where they believe that the very fact that they are a serving police officer means that it is OK for them to behave pretty much however they like.

For every headline case, there are dozens of other stories around the country of excessive brutality in police behaviour, unnecessary and preventable deaths in police custody, magistrates effectively letting off police officers by ignoring or dismissing evidence.

In short, we need a police force that doesn't have its hands tied, but at the same time one that we feel confident in, that they exercise self-restraint and fair judgement. Respect for and cooperation with the police is a two-way street.

The majority of police officers (I expect) don't feel they are above the law, nor that doing their job effectively means they are somehow forced to tell the odd lie, or put the boot in for good measure. Surely therefore there's no real excuse for the ones who do.

I'd be interested to hear what people think in general about these issues. :)

I suspect the problem is that police officers are recruited too young, before they have life experience and at an age when their attitudes can be easily shaped by their peers, so the culture becomes self-perpetuating.

More mature recruits, capable of thinking for themselves, are needed. Unfortunately everyone I know who has joined the police later in life has found the culture unbearable.

I had no problem with the police until this year. Now I think they're c**ts.

Quote: Timbo @ November 5 2009, 10:15 AM GMT

More mature recruits, capable of thinking for themselves, are needed. Unfortunately everyone I know who has joined the police later in life has found the culture unbearable.

I have a cousin who was in the forces for a long time and served in N.Ireland when it was bad. He's now in CID. He's a good bloke and I'd like to think he makes a good rozzer.

Quote: chipolata @ November 5 2009, 10:30 AM GMT

I had no problem with the police until this year. Now I think they're c**ts.

I've seen both sides of them too. It's when get heavy handed and the school bully inside them takes over that a lot of problems arise.

This is an excellent piece of writing, Tim, even if I found it a little complicated at times, but perhaps that shows an excellent ability to keep your well-oiled train of thought focused. Be wary of frightening us though, as some of us live in deprived areas and have only recently plucked up the courage to go down the shops! Good job though, Tim - and I love the photo of the policeman with the cuddly toy.

Quote: Timbo @ November 5 2009, 10:15 AM GMT

I suspect the problem is that police officers are recruited too young, before they have life experience and at an age when their attitudes can be easily shaped by their peers, so the culture becomes self-perpetuating.

More mature recruits, capable of thinking for themselves, are needed. Unfortunately everyone I know who has joined the police later in life has found the culture unbearable.

I get the suspicion that a number of officers joined the police precisely because of the chance to "legally" get involved in some aggro. Is there any form of psychological testing involved in the recruitment process?

When I used to work in A&E in Croydon, the police often used to bring in suspects with injuries sustained around the time of arrest. On more than one occasion I was requested by an officer to ignore or misinterpret an injury in order to "do them a favour". I was also asked to falsify my opinion of the nature of injuries to officers, where the injury had been caused either by themselves or by a fellow officer, during an arrest, in order to make it fit with the suspect having inflicted it. So basically I was asked to falsify medical evidence to suit the police's version of events, sometimes in order to add to the evidence against the accused.

I refused to do this, which confused even some of the senior nurses in the department. Eventually didn't assign me these cases, finding a doctor who would. :(

Quote: Morrace @ November 5 2009, 10:49 AM GMT

This is an excellent piece of writing, Tim, even if I found it a little complicated at times, but perhaps that shows an excellent ability to keep your well-oiled train of thought focused.

My usual rambling, I'm afraid... :)

Quote: Tim Walker @ November 5 2009, 10:56 AM GMT

I get the suspicion that a number of officers joined the police precisely because of the chance to ("legally") get involved in some aggro. Is there any form of psychological testing involved in the recruitment process?

I guess that police officers by the very nature of their job have to get involved with confrontational situations, whereas most of the rest of us avoid those types of situations. So there's already something a bit "off" about most of them.

(Which reminds me of the very funny Big Train sketch with the copper who didn't want to get involved in any trouble)

I've been in a group of people after the pub and been approached by rozzers trying to incite trouble. No one took the bait (I managed to keep my gobby mouth shut) and they tried harder to antogonise and start a situation. Eventually they had to give up.

Quote: Morrace @ November 5 2009, 10:49 AM GMT

Be wary of frightening us though, as some of us live in deprived areas and have only recently plucked up the courage to go down the shops!

I don't want to demonise the majority of fair, honest and dedicated police officers, of course. I just think they already have the abilities to be incredibly no-nonsense and firm, without the need for some very dodgy behaviour. The only way that racism, dishonesty and unacceptably brutal behaviour will be eradicated is if potentially unfit officers really fear punishment. The chances are, however, that a whitewash will be constructed on their behalf, where everyone in the internal complaints and public legal process is basically on their side.

Quote: Tim Walker @ November 5 2009, 10:59 AM GMT

I get the suspicion that a number of officers joined the police precisely because of the chance to "legally" get involved in some aggro. Is there any form of psychological testing involved in the recruitment process?

When I used to work in A&E in Croydon, the police often used to bring in suspects with injuries sustained around the time of arrest. On more than one occasion I was requested by an officer to ignore or misinterpret an injury in order to "do them a favour". I was also asked to falsify my opinion of the nature of injuries to officers, where the injury had been caused either by themselves or by a fellow officer, during an arrest, in order to make it fit with the suspect having inflicted it. So basically I was asked to falsify medical evidence to suit the police's version of events, sometimes in order to add to the evidence against the accused.

I refused to do this, which confused even some of the senior nurses in the department. Eventually didn't assign me these cases, finding a doctor who would. :(

My usual rambling, I'm afraid... :)

Yeah, but they may well have been forced into harming people when defending themselves. They deserve some credit for often having to risk their lives, armed with little more than a stick!

Quote: catskillz @ November 5 2009, 11:05 AM GMT

Yeah, but they may well have been forced into harming people when defending themselves. They deserve some credit for having to risk their lives, armed with little more than a stick!

It's a pretty vicious "stick", I'd say, as sticks go. And when it's often up to six of them versus one suspect, the stick issue become even less germane.

The bigger point is that some of them feel that lying (i.e. breaking the law in their case) about events and their actions is OK because it's a tough job and, let's face it, the guy was scum et cetera... It was the extension of this kind of logic which led to the 'Guildford Four' and 'Birmingham Six'.

Quote: Tim Walker @ November 5 2009, 10:59 AM GMT

I was also asked to falsify my opinion of the nature of injuries to officers, where the injury had been caused either by themselves or by a fellow officer, during an arrest, in order to make it fit with the suspect having inflicted it. So basically I was asked to falsify medical evidence to suit the police's version of events, sometimes in order to add to the evidence against the accused.

More likely to enable them to claim criminal injuries compensation. It is considered one of the perks of the job.

Quote: Timbo @ November 5 2009, 11:26 AM GMT

More likely to enable them to claim criminal injuries compensation. It is considered one of the perks of the job.

That and getting free sex off prostitutes in exchange for not arresting them. :)

Quote: Tim Walker @ November 5 2009, 11:59 AM GMT

That and getting free sex off prostitutes in exchange for not arresting them. :)

F**k, I knew I'd followed the wrong career path. :(

Just read the full article, including the parts about how similar charges were levelled at the copper on several previous occassions. :O

It's one of the main reasons I'm against the death penalty, every institution in this country is rotten to the core.

This is some seriously dodgy shit and those coppers should have got the sack. I am appalled.

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