Let's All Mock The Hippy Page 7

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ November 1 2009, 7:43 PM BST

Can't speak for every Irish immigrant family, but my grandfather came over from Ireland in World War 2 to diffuse unexploded German bombs in London. My Dad joined the RAF at age 14 and all of his brothers served in a British armed force.

My Mum was a nurse for many years, does a ton of charity work for the local church and for some reason is a royalist.

Neither of my parents committed crimes or were ever arrested throughout their entire lives and neither have the children and grand children they've produced.

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Send em all back where they came from!

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ November 1 2009, 7:43 PM BST

Don't worry Dolly, it's a point based system and your contribution is based on time served multiplied by NI contributions and tax paid throughout your life - both directly and indirectly. If I were in a draconian mood, I might be tempted to subtract points against those that have committed violent crimes.

Can't speak for every Irish immigrant family, but my grandfather came over from Ireland in World War 2 to diffuse unexploded German bombs in London. My Dad joined the RAF at age 14 and all of his brothers served in a British armed force.

My Mum was a nurse for many years, does a ton of charity work for the local church and for some reason is a royalist.

Neither of my parents committed crimes or were ever arrested throughout their entire lives and neither have the children and grand children they've produced.

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But I'm not currently making NI contributions and the lower earners pay less tax.

So it doesn't matter where your family come from if they've done some of military or health work? The logic behind your utopia is a bit wonky!

Quote: Tim Walker @ November 1 2009, 7:36 PM BST

Just the point I was about to make! It's a sad-but-true fact that governments 50 years ago could not have foreseen the success that (generally) better social, nutritional and health care would have on increasing average British human longevity so relatively rapidly.

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Thanks to high gas prices, the Government's annual Darwinian cull will see all these sponging bastards frozen to death.

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ November 1 2009, 7:43 PM BST

My Dad joined the RAF at age 14 and all of his brothers served in a British armed force.

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You're Nick Griffin and I claim my £5.

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ November 1 2009, 7:47 PM BST

Thanks to high gas prices, the Government's annual Darwinian cull will see all these sponging bastards frozen to death.

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It's going to be a lot f**king worse when you or I are of pensionable age, RC.

Quote: Tim Walker @ November 1 2009, 7:49 PM BST

It's going to be a lot f**king worse when you or I are of pensionable age, RC.

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Yeah, but we'll all be living the high life on our DVD residuals by then, right?

Right?

Quote: Dolly Dagger @ November 1 2009, 7:46 PM BST

But I'm not currently making NI contributions and the lower earners pay less tax.

So it doesn't matter where your family come from if they've done some of military or health work? The logic behind your utopia is a bit wonky!

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Think of my system as a bit like a points chart, the more positive contributions you make to society, the more points you earn and the further up the list you go.

Technically speaking, my Mother has resided in the UK longer then you have, has never claimed any state monies and has never commited a crime, so she would be above you on the list.

But as you have made NI contributions in the past and were born and resided in the UK for a substantial amount of time and have made positive contributions to society, then you will rank about middle-ish on the list. I'm also going to assume you're actions haven't cost the taxpayer excessive amounts of money in the past. So you get additional points.

And that is how a meritocracy works - merit = win. And you can't get fairer then that.

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ November 1 2009, 7:55 PM BST

And that is how a meritocracy works - merit = win. And, as they say, you can't get fairer then that.

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So people with diseases/conditions that through no fault of their own (and there are plenty of them, trust me) lead them to require healthcare resources and prevent them from being able to work normally, score low in your meritocracy? And the ex-offender who has turned his/her life around and works for a low-wage in social projects designed to prevent the next generation of young offenders, will forever be penalised due to his/her mistakes in earlier life, despite having served their time and learnt from their mistakes. And presumably the thousands of people who do voluntary work, either as carers or involved in projects that benefit their community - because it's not paid, taxable work, that has no merit? And better penalise people who are in irregular employment such as actors, dancers, writers and their like, all of whom only really contribute to the benefit of the "cultural elite"...

I could go on and list a load of other inconsistencies in this plan, RC, but you're intelligent enough to work them out for yourself.

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ November 1 2009, 7:55 PM BST

Think of my system as a bit like a points chart, the more positive contributions you make to society, the more points you earn and the further up the list you go.

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Who rates all these contributions for how positive they are? The state? The one that you don't trust as far as you can throw?

Quote: Badge @ November 1 2009, 8:09 PM BST

Who rates all these contributions for how positive they are? The state? The one that you don't trust as far as you can throw?

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It's certainly a system Chairman Mao or Uncle Joe would have had some enthusiasm for.

Quote: Tim Walker @ November 1 2009, 8:02 PM BST

So people with diseases/conditions that through no fault of their own (and there are plenty of them, trust me) lead them to require healthcare resources and prevent them from being able to work normally, score low in your meritocracy? And the ex-offender who has turned his/her life around and works for a low-wage in social projects designed to prevent the next generation of young offenders, will forever be penalised due to his/her mistakes in earlier life, despite having served their time and learnt from their mistakes. And presumable the thousands of people who do voluntary work in either as carers or involved in projects that benefit their community, because it's not paid, taxable work, that has no merit?

I could go on and list a load of other inconsistencies in this plan, RC, but you're intelligent enough to work them out for yourself.

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To be honest with you Tim, under my meritocracy, a lot of the above would be excluded, because they quite frankly wouldn't exist.

We live in a society where evil is rewarded and celebrated, but under my government, many, many social ills will be elimenated. At the moment, we are all carrots and no sticks, there is no incentive to contribute to society.

When immigrants come to the UK and realise that they are at the very bottom of the list, they will do everything in their power to improve themselves and the community around them to earn points. The same goes for the Chav scum who are the bane of our lives.

And guess what will happen to those who need long term healthcare? That's right, they'll get it because the system won't be swamped by undeserving scum.

Case in point, you Tim Walker are admitted to hospital with head trauma, at the same time, a criminal is admitted with head trauma. The surgeons work on you first, as you are more valuable to society by the sheer fact that you are not a criminal.

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ November 1 2009, 7:55 PM BST

Think of my system as a bit like a points chart, the more positive contributions you make to society, the more points you earn and the further up the list you go.

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And who's going to provide Jeremy Kyle with his guests? Or hilariously ernest channel 4 documentaries?

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ November 1 2009, 8:15 PM BST

Case in point, you Tim Walker are admitted to hospital with head trauma, at the same time, a criminal is admitted with head trauma. The surgeons work on you first, as you are more valuable to society by the sheer fact that you are not a criminal.

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Do they conduct the trial in the ER or the ambulance?

Quote: Badge @ November 1 2009, 8:09 PM BST

Who rates all these contributions for how positive they are? The state? The one that you don't trust as far as you can throw?

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Under my meritocracy, all government departments will be run by those most qualified to do so - because they got the job through merit.

Quote: Kevin Murphy @ November 1 2009, 8:17 PM BST

Do they conduct the trial in the ER or the ambulance?

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At the ER.

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ November 1 2009, 8:18 PM BST

Under my meritocracy, all government departments will be run by those most qualified to do so - because they got the job through merit.

At the ER.

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By and large they are. It's the elected ones who suck and the bits which are sold off to the private sector that suck.

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ November 1 2009, 8:15 PM BST

Case in point, you Tim Walker are admitted to hospital with head trauma, at the same time, a criminal is admitted with head trauma. The surgeons work on you first, as you are more valuable to society by the sheer fact that you are not a criminal.

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I'd prefer that both of us were treated and in the order of our clinical need, personally. I've not led by any means a blameless life in the past, and the positive contribution I have made to society has also brought me financial and other benefits already. I'd be shocked for any doctor presented with me and "the criminal" to prioritise treatment based on anything other than clinical need. It goes against the fundamental principles of being a doctor, it's not just my personal opinion. (And what if your hypothetical concerned two doctors both with head injuries - both otherwise "equal", other than one is a pioneering heart surgeon and the other a pioneering psychiatrist - what value systems do you have to bring to the table to prioritise between those two?)