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Quote: Renegade Carpark @ November 1 2009, 7:26 PM BST

That's right Tim - A + B = Nazi Death Camp.

Except my model about those who have contributed most for the longest time are rewarded for their investment and diligence must be insania.

Can you imagine what would happen if you applied my theory to the corporate world, you'd have people steadily rising through the ranks of companies and earning more money - that is just crazy talk.

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The welfare state was devised as a life raft to provide a minimun standard for everyone. Too be their when people needed it and no longer.

I'd like to go back to those days. It shouldn't be a jolly reward for hardwork.

Quote: sootyj @ November 1 2009, 7:26 PM BST

Me and RC are off next week to give all the Dinkas TB,

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I was wondering why so many immigrants in Tower Hamlets have TB, I didn't realise it was you 'Chemical Sooty'.

Quote: sootyj @ November 1 2009, 7:20 PM BST

I do think if you don't work you should have to use GP surgeries etc at antisocial hours etc.

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But they're only open during social hours.

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ November 1 2009, 7:29 PM BST

I was wondering why so many immigrants in Tower Hamlets have TB, I didn't realise it was you 'Chemical Sooty'.

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How dare you!

I don't live in Tower Hamlets I have some standards.

N.B. I loath the current entitlement individualsation agenda in the welfare system.

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ November 1 2009, 7:26 PM BST

That's right Tim - A + B = Nazi Death Camp.

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I'm glad I helped you to see the obvious flaw in your argument, RC.

Quote: sootyj @ November 1 2009, 7:29 PM BST

It shouldn't be a jolly reward for hardwork.

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No, that's what the state pension was for...and if you talk to an elderly person about their state pension, prepare for the air to turn blue.

They were promised by successive governments that if they payed in every week, the state would take of care of them in their old age. They all feel quite rightly betrayed.

Welcome to America's Social Security. Same screwed up thing...

I was thinking more of incapacity and unemployment based benefits.

As for the pension no one expected us all to live so long.

Quote: Dolly Dagger @ November 1 2009, 7:30 PM BST

But they're only open during social hours.

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Now you see the evil genius of sootyj's plan.

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ November 1 2009, 7:26 PM BST

Except my model about those who have contributed most for the longest time are rewarded for their investment and diligence must be insania.

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How do you class 'contributed'? As a housewife whose official status is unemployed but not claiming benefits it could be said that I'm not contributing.

And how do you feel about people originally from nearby countries - like Ireland say *cough* - using the NHS?

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ November 1 2009, 7:34 PM BST

Now you see the evil genius of sootyj's plan.

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More why should I have to take a day off work to see a GP or attend a hospital appointment.

The current system benefits the lazy and indigent.

Quote: sootyj @ November 1 2009, 7:34 PM BST

As for the pension no one expected us all to live so long.

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Just the point I was about to make! It's a sad-but-true fact that governments 50 years ago could not have foreseen the success that (generally) better social, nutritional and health care would have on increasing average British human longevity so relatively rapidly.

Or it's corrosive effect on morale for some.

Quote: Kevin Murphy @ November 1 2009, 1:06 PM BST

I thought it might be fun for us all to take the piss out of this Mark Boyle guy.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/green-living-blog/2009/oct/28/live-without-money

He's the feller who said he was going to walk from Bristol to Gandhi's birth-place in India, without any money or documentation.

He got as far as Calais before being turned away as a suspected asylum seeker.

That was a couple of years ago. Now he's living -- without money -- on a farm or something with a solar-powered phone that his mates pay for, all in the name of the "freeconomy".

Easy target. Who wants to start?

If anybody wants to try to defend him, that could be fun too.

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Getting back to chap at the centre of Kevin's original post...

Smug, self-righteous prick.

Quote: Dolly Dagger @ November 1 2009, 7:34 PM BST

How do you class 'contributed'? As a housewife whose official status is unemployed but not claiming benefits it could be said that I'm not contributing.

And how do you feel about people originally from nearby countries - like Ireland say *cough* - using the NHS?

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Don't worry Dolly, it's a point based system and your contribution is based on time served multiplied by NI contributions and tax paid throughout your life - both directly and indirectly. If I were in a draconian mood, I might be tempted to subtract points against those that have committed violent crimes.

Can't speak for every Irish immigrant family, but my grandfather came over from Ireland in World War 2 to diffuse unexploded German bombs in London. My Dad joined the RAF at age 14 and all of his brothers served in a British armed force.

My Mum was a nurse for many years, does a ton of charity work for the local church and for some reason is a royalist.

Neither of my parents committed crimes or were ever arrested throughout their entire lives and neither have the children and grand children they've produced.