Nick Griffin on Question Time Page 44

Quote: Tim Walker @ October 31 2009, 12:43 AM BST

The Yorkshire Ripper says that "God told me" to kill prostitutes, we rightly diagnose him a psychopath, stick him in Broadmoor and let the psychiatrists/psychologists prod him to see what makes him tick. A religious fundamentalist say that "God told me" to kill non-believers and we wring our trying to understand why it must be a reasonable thing to believe.

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Very good observation. Why do people go so out of their way and beyond reason to be what they define as 'tolerant'? It's not tolerance. It's blind acceptance.

Quote: sootyj @ October 31 2009, 12:51 AM BST

I won't come out and crap on all Muslims it's stupid. ... In the same way saying all Muslims are terrorists is stupid.

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Why do you keep saying this, and similar? Aside from bloody annoying, it's astonishingly ignorant. At no point has any poster even implied, let alone stated, that ALL Muslims are evil, deluded fools. Or any other similar blanket statement for any religion or group of peoples. We are quite clearly talking in general terms, and everyone else here is able to see that as-read. What are you reading - or failing to read - into our posts that you feel the need to state that kind of thing?!

Quote: Aaron @ October 31 2009, 5:38 PM BST

We are quite clearly talking in general terms, and everyone else here is able to see that as-read. What are you reading - or failing to read - into our posts that you feel the need to state that kind of thing?!

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If I could be bothered I'd go through and dig up every reference that, that is precisely what has been written.

But why bother. The statements are there, as is the unending assumption that people can't diferentiate between religious dogma and reality.

Let's just say we're all a big bunch of racists and be done with it.

You're a racist!

Any way we've been talking about people being theists.

Do keep up.

Quote: sootyj @ October 31 2009, 5:43 PM BST

If I could be bothered I'd go through and dig up every reference that, that is precisely what has been written.

But why bother. The statements are there, as is the unending assumption that people can't diferentiate between religious dogma and reality.

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N.B. why not check out the Tim quote you approved above.

I'm assuming he wasn't referring to the Christian Amal Militia, who were the most brutal in the Lebanese civil war.

Quote: sootyj @ October 31 2009, 5:51 PM BST

I'm assuming he wasn't referring to the Christian Amal Militia, who were the most brutal in the Lebanese civil war.

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You label them "Christian", but an important difference is there is no affiliation of this kind of group with the institutions of Christianity as a world church. I am in no way saying that all violent "Muslim" groups act with the blessing of Mecca, but the links are commonly far stronger (both ideologically, financially and socially) with the mainstream, respected teachers of Islam. (Many of whom preach "moderation" in public and extremism behind closed doors.)

Quote: sootyj @ October 31 2009, 1:05 AM BST

Taking someone seriously for what they say in the name of their faith is akin to arresting me for planning to kill orcs whilst playing Dungeons and Dragons.

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Quote: Tim Walker @ October 31 2009, 6:25 PM BST

You label this kind of group "Christian", but an important difference is there is no affiliation of this kind of group with the institutions of Christianity as a world church. I am in no way saying that all violent "Muslim" groups act with the blessing of Mecca, but the links are commonly far stronger (both ideologically, financially and socially) with the mainstream, respected teachers of Islam. (Many of them preach moderation in public and extremism behind closed doors.)

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On this I completely agree. A direct comparison between Christianity, Judaism and Islam will show Islam is several centuries behind culturally. Also that fundamentalist Islam is a genuine threat.

Where Christianity goes off the rails it's usually been influenced by Islam (Lebanon) or animism (Nigeria).

Refusing to acknowlege weaknesses in groupings is the maddening culture blind racism, that is so often called political correctness.

It is worth noting that communism is a faith which on papers sounds generous and benificent. Is in practise often cruel and murderous.

Quote: Tim Walker @ October 31 2009, 1:08 AM BST

(This is where Labour have screwed-up by their well meaning but ultimately dangerous laws and social policies on supporting multi-faith agendas. A government should tell all religions to f**k off out of politics, never to darken its door again.)

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Working with faith groups is a massive cop out for most religions and a great way of saving cash, as well as spreading blame and dodging responsibilities.

Newlab like most political groupings smiles whilst they stab you in the back.

Quote: sootyj @ October 31 2009, 6:36 PM BST

It is worth noting that communism is a faith

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Political ideology. Not really a "faith".

Quote: Kevin Murphy @ October 31 2009, 6:41 PM BST

Political ideology. Not really a "faith".

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In practise it is a faith.

I suppose the sad thing about people who advocate for Islam is all the great achievments are centuries in the past. They invented maths but what have they done recently?

Also can one trust a society that produces neither scifi nor sitcom?

Quote: sootyj @ October 31 2009, 6:43 PM BST

In practise it is a faith.

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Only if you lump in all political ideologies as faiths.

Quote: sootyj @ October 31 2009, 6:43 PM BST

Also can one trust a society that produces neither quality porn scifi nor sitcom?

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Exactly.

Quote: Kevin Murphy @ October 31 2009, 6:45 PM BST

Only if you lump in all political ideologies as faiths.

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When ideology transcends rational analysis political belief becomes a faith. Social democracy I would not call a faith; neo-conservatism I would.

Quote: Griff @ October 31 2009, 6:49 PM BST

Muslim Sitcom debuts in Canada

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Interesting...