Nick Griffin on Question Time Page 35

Quote: sootyj @ October 28 2009, 10:54 PM BST

Aaron if you can find one sympathetic headline from the Star about immigrants to the UK. I will personally pick you a whole bunch of cherries.

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I don't like cherries.

Quote: jim field @ October 28 2009, 11:00 PM BST

indeed sootyj. the use of the phrase 'cherry picking' is borderline nonsensical when you consider the utterly consistent line that these awful rags take on the subject.

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The cherry picking is in contrasting the headlines of past to the BNP stuff, without the context. Not liking something doesn't mean that you automatically agree with someone who also doesn't like it.

And start using capital letters in your posts. I shan't warn you again.

Could I reccomend Bournemouth FC as a club for you to support instead?

The point I think is that if saying "I don't support the BNP but I don't like immigrant types." Pretty much the Sun et al view point.
Is akin to saying "I hate violence against animals, I kick my cat but atleast I don't set fire to it."

The current narrow debate on immigration helps no one.

Quote: sootyj @ October 29 2009, 7:20 AM BST

The point I think is that if saying "I don't support the BNP but I don't like immigrant types." Pretty much the Sun et al view point.
Is akin to saying "I hate violence against animals, I kick my cat but atleast I don't set fire to it."

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That's the point being made, but it's an incorrect one.

Quote: sootyj @ October 29 2009, 7:20 AM BST

The current narrow debate on immigration helps no one.

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True.

Ah, duplicity and hypocrasy amongst the liberal elite once again rears it's familiar head in the form of school places.

For those you not fluent in PC speak, the phrase 'we don't want to send our child to an educationally sub-standard school', please read 'we don't want to send our child to the black school where they all speak Urdu'.

Obviously, because these liberals have one black friend, wear ethnic hats and eat jerk chicken twice a year, they're reasonings for sending their kiddies to a mostly white school could never be described as racist.

Yes I am sure there could be no objective reason for not wanting to send your children to a school where many of the children do not have English as their first language.

Quote: Timbo @ October 29 2009, 4:23 PM BST

Yes I am sure there could be no objective reason for not wanting to send your children to a school where many of the children do not have English as their first language.

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The fact that such schools exist kind of negates any kind of pro-immigration argument and adds fuel to the BNP fire.

Yes, we're not racist, but we do like to practice apartheid when it comes to our children.

There's the class-divide as well with schools, so it's kind of like a grid or matrix of prejudice.

It's not as black and white as you think...

(I thank you!)

Dan

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ October 29 2009, 4:28 PM BST

The fact that such schools exist kind of negates any kind of pro-immigration argument and adds fuel to the BNP fire.

Yes, we're not racist, but we do like to practice apartheid when it comes to our children.

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Ah, but you're the racist one by implying that the only reason that a school is shit is because it's full of coloureds who don't speak English. Very few parents who object to certain schools do so with the demographic or I suspect even the reason for its shitness in mind. They just want the best for their kids. You're the one linking it so intrinsically to race.

Quote: Aaron @ October 29 2009, 6:35 PM BST

Ah, but you're the racist one by implying that the only reason that a school is shit is because it's full of coloureds who don't speak English. Very few parents who object to certain schools do so with the demographic or I suspect even the reason for its shitness in mind. They just want the best for their kids. You're the one linking it so intrinsically to race.

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I agree (how odd to type that) smart, savvy parents who get into the best UK schools are usually natives. Besides plenty of thick, illiterate native kids.

Quote: Aaron @ October 29 2009, 2:17 PM BST

That's the point being made, but it's an incorrect one.

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I dunno every paper has an editorial stance. The BNP has inadvertedly made the policy of many more racist. They're so right wing, you can stand next to them to appear left wing. Even when you're promoting a very right wing policy.

Quote: Aaron @ October 29 2009, 6:35 PM BST

Ah, but you're the racist one by implying that the only reason that a school is shit is because it's full of coloureds who don't speak English. Very few parents who object to certain schools do so with the demographic or I suspect even the reason for its shitness in mind. They just want the best for their kids. You're the one linking it so intrinsically to race.

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Missing my point completely Aaron. I'm not linking educational excellence with race or class.

I'm suggesting that white people who claim they aren't racist, make very racist decisions about where they send their kids to school. They use the 'education standards' as an excuse to not send their children to the most local school, if it is indeed full of non-whites.

It's especially evident in London, where schools are often divided upon race and cultural lines. The education authority in Tower Hamlets wants to introduce schools shutting during Ramadan, such is the high level of Muslim students.

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ October 29 2009, 8:41 PM BST

Missing my point completely Aaron. I'm not linking educational excellence with race or class.

I'm suggesting that white people who claim they aren't racist, make very racist decisions about where they send their kids to school. They use the 'education standards' as an excuse to not send their children to the most local school, if it is indeed full of non-whites.

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And like I said, I think that's pretty rare. Most parents really do want as they say.

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ October 29 2009, 8:41 PM BST

The education authority in Tower Hamlets wants to introduce schools shutting during Ramadan, such is the high level of Muslim students.

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And you think that is not a reason to not want to send your kids there?

As an Irishman, I would have no reason to support the BNP, even if they do try to drag us into their warped white suprecamist fold, when it suits them.

Having said that, I think they make some valid points. Why should Britain or Ireland harbour Islamic fundamentalist Mullahs who preach the destruction of our way of life? Why should we allow Roma gypsies to come into our country to sell the Big Issue and beg on our streets, whilst living in accommodation paid for by our government? Why should we take economic refugees and thieves that have been kicked out by the French and Italians, while many of our own people are on the poverty line?

I'm not racist. And I'm not going to add the typical "but".

I'll ask just one question. Can anybody give me one example of how the presence of Roma gypsies in your country makes it a better place to live in? I live in Ireland, and my life is certainly not enhanced by the presence of these gold-toothed freeloaders. We already have more than enough of the native kind to keep us on our toes.

I don't really know why there is officially a big hang up about being 'racist' these days. Probably something to do with Naziism but that was an extreme example that has no bearing on normal everyday folk who don't like the cultural seachange they see happening in their country.

I'm pretty sure racism is a natural human condition, a sort of territorial instinct that practically all animals have. It's perfectly understandible for a recognisablly native group to be angry when recognisably foreign groups invade their country, whether by force or stealth or invitation. It is just something that the out of touch, rabidly PC govt will have to put up with.

To change our nation so much and then condemn its long standing populace for being 'racist' is really quite sick making. But this is what seems to be happening. It is very little wonder the BNP are on the rise - this is ordinary Britons' only legal way of showing their concerns.

The BNP certainly fairly represent a segment of UK society I don't agree with. And anyone who claims they're in no way racist is fibbing. It's more about acceptable expressions of feeling in society, e.g. I can't punch people who talk loudly about Hannah Montana on the bus.

N.B. saw a bit of that racism experiment on C4 last night. Good to see the English saw through it and had a sensible chat on race. And ignored shouty American loon.

I do wish people would open up the race debate a bit more. NewLab brought in a points based system to ensure only neccesary imigrants from outside the EU. Turns out we have huge holes in our skills market.