Nick Griffin on Question Time Page 32

Quote: Tim Walker @ October 24 2009, 11:16 PM BST

So you're saying Hitler would have tried to invade Britain if we hadn't declared war based on supposition related to his character. Well, why bother with looking at the historical evidence then? (A view shared by Holocaust deniers). And Hitler may have had a sociopathic personality, but it diminishes the evil of the man to imply that he was insane. Madness can be excused. Hitler was not deluded or psychotic. He was (up to 1944) sane if sociopathic.

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Hitler admired certain areas of the British character. He certainly planned on controlling most of Europe. As for historical evidence he admired Czeklovakia and Austro-Hungary. Didn't stop him concquering either when he saw them as a threat. The most generous judgement one could make was he was willing to wait for a fascist government to be elected in England.

Quote: zooo @ October 24 2009, 11:17 PM BST

Oh noes!

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You are the best though and not a prostitute! Like Ellie!

Quote: sootyj @ October 24 2009, 11:19 PM BST

Hitler admired certain areas of the British character. He certainly planned on controlling most of Europe. As for historical evidence he admired Czeklovakia and Austro-Hungary. Didn't stop him concquering either when he saw them as a threat. The most generous judgement one could make was he was willing to wait for a fascist government to be elected in England.

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Also now I think of it, even Gordon Brown would probably figure having the world's most efficent and biggest army 20 miles from you by sea. With the rest of Europe subdued might not be an especially safe state of affairs.

20 miles of water may not sound very much, but when it's a notoriously problematic sea lane like the English Channel is (as it proved not just during WW2, but many times over the last 1000 years), it provides a bloody huge logistical problem for an invading army. (Which, reciprocally, was why the result of the Dunkirk landings was in no way a forgone conclusion.)

Quote: Tim Walker @ October 24 2009, 11:28 PM BST

20 miles of water may not sound very much, but when it's a notoriously problematic sea lane like the English Channel is (as it proved not just during WW2, but many times over the last 1000 years), it provides a bloody huge logistical problem for an invading army. (Which, reciprocally, was why the result of the Dunkirk landings was in no way a forgone conclusion.)

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Yeah but when was the ice age?

Patrol that narrow sea lane with warships, submarines and attack aircraft and it wouldn't be too difficult to choke Britain into submission.

Quote: DaButt @ October 24 2009, 11:30 PM BST

Patrol that narrow sea lane with warships, submarines and attack aircraft and it wouldn't be too difficult to choke Britain into submission.

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Hitler didn't!

Still pretty unfeasable thing to build defensive policy. Doesn't detract from original point; that some letters or files saying
"Herr Hitler think Britain is ace and Vera Lynn has great knockers."
Was not a sensible reason to stay out of the battle of France.

Quote: bigfella @ October 24 2009, 11:31 PM BST

Hitler didn't!

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He got bored and invaded Russia. He may have had ADHD or even ADHID.

Quote: DaButt @ October 24 2009, 11:30 PM BST

Patrol that narrow sea lane with warships, submarines and attack aircraft and it wouldn't be too difficult to choke Britain into submission.

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There's more sea than the English Channel around Britain, you know. There's a f**k of a lot of usable coastline, ports and harbours on this island. That's the beauty of being an island, you see?

And we've got a nice tunnel now! Keeps us nice and dry!

Hitler famously made some truly duff decisions, his ship building program was a prime example. If he'd built the advanced submarines and long range naval aircraft a couple of years earlier he would have won the battle of Atlantic. Instead he built 3 dinosaur Battleships that achieved almost nothing. And he never finished his aircraft carrier.

Quote: Tim Walker @ October 24 2009, 11:28 PM BST

20 miles of water may not sound very much, but when it's a notoriously problematic sea lane like the English Channel is

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Quite right. The Kriegsmarine breathed an almighty sigh of relief when Operation Sealion was shelved. (The whole operation had turned on the Luftwaffe's precision bombing claims - about as realistic as the USAF's claims in more recent conflicts.)

Quote: Timbo @ October 24 2009, 11:40 PM BST

Quite right. The Kriegsmarine breathed an almighty sigh of relief when Operation Sealion was shelved. (The whole operation had turned on the Luftwaffe's precision bombing claims - about as realistic as the USAF's claims in more recent conflicts.)

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Well the Luftwaffe was doing surprisingly well at knocking out RAF radars and airfields. If ADHD Adolf had stuck to that and not bombing cities pointlessly it might have all ended in tears. Also he had a bizarre ruling that all German bombers had to be able to dive bomb, hence most of their bombers were rather anemic and small.

But Britain weren't unwilling to help Finland at all. They had been actively planning military aid for the Fins as Russia grew hostile and turned on them. What stopped the British Govt sending it there was the shock and speedy Finnish 'victory' or repulsion of the Russians in the winter war. This gained the Fins Hitler's respect and military aliegance, which in part expedited Hitler's ripping up his treaty with Stalin and attacking him. The Fins were only concerned with fighting Russia, to be fair to them, they didn't fight against any other allies as far as I know.

On the bombing front, well it is a fact that RAF commander Harris couldn't have done what he did to Germany's populated cities without Churchill's say so. However the great man was very quick to declare in the commons his deepest unease at such policies and ordered no more. However this was a man who also ordered the sinking of the French fleet before exhausting all avenues of diplomacy. Churchill certainly wasn't a pussycat in war, he was actually, very very bold.

Quote: Alfred J Kipper @ October 24 2009, 11:57 PM BST

However this was a man who also ordered the sinking of the French fleet before exhausting all avenues of diplomacy.

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Well it had to be done. And, frankly, it pissed of de Gaulle - the most absurdly ungrateful Frenchman of all time - so that was a bonus. Considering we'd had to leave most of the British Expeditionary Force's equipment behind in France during the Dunkirk evacuation, it would be have been embarrassing to give the Germans even more Allied equipment. (And the French politicians could basically f**k right off about the issue. These people established the Vichy government, for God's sake!)