Aaron
Friday 23rd October 2009 6:06pm
Royal Berkshire
69,949 posts
Quote: Afinkawan @ October 23 2009, 10:35 AM BST
That you think the media are left-leaning shows that you are right wing. Griffin did the same thing with his 'ultra-leftist' comment last night. It only looks that far left if you are starting way over to the right.
It's been shown several times that the BBC tend to be very slightly biased against the party in power, whoever they are.
Yes, I am right wing, and proud of it. I don't agree with the rest of the above though. Obviously.
Quote: chipolata @ October 23 2009, 11:02 AM BST
Look, the bottom line is he was elected to the European parliament. And, unfortunately, an awful lot of people share his views. Trying to censor him just turns him into a martyr. let him speak and show the world what a tool he is.
And I always think it amusing that the anti-facists outside never raise a peep about the likes of Muslim extremists, who hold just as distasteful views as Griffin and his moronic cronies.
We should probably alert the media now, because I'm agreeing with chipolata.
Quote: Rhubarb @ October 23 2009, 10:57 AM BST
There's been lots of debate here – but can anyone suggest at what point you do try to stop them? What's the line they have to cross?
He's denied the holocaust (because the Nazis have such a bad press these days), his media Chief has called Winston Churchill a 'c**t' for not fighting alongside the Nazis, and he wants to repatriate non-whites of however many generation and regardless of mixed heritage. All words so far – although you can argue it raises tensions in the community and can/ is / will cause racial attacks? So…at what point do we stop complaining about people fighting to keep him out of Broadcasting House? When do we stop talking about his right to hate? Isn't fighting fascist the most apt way to remember the fallen of WW2?
You don't need to 'stop' them. In order to get to a place in British politics where they pose any real influence they'd have to change rather drastically from the moronic ship-'em-back party they are now. In the meantime, they'll continue to show themselves up. The real question is how do we get the mainstream parties to take up the few legitimate, sane policies that the BNP have that have given them the electoral success they've had to date.
Quote: zooo @ October 23 2009, 11:57 AM BST
Maybe watching something before commenting on it would be a nice idea though. 
To be fair, he didn't actually comment on the show.
Quote: Timbo @ October 23 2009, 12:15 PM BST
She didn't get it quite right mind; 17,000 BP was the maximum extent of the ice. As Tim says, we are technically still in an Ice Age, but in an inter-glacial period. The last glacial period ended around 12,500 BP, which was when what later became the British Isles would have been reoccupied. There is some dispute as to the extent to which that original hunter-gatherer gene pool has been diluted by subsequent migrations, but it is worth bearing in mind in any case that as homo sapiens only emerged out of Africa around 50,000 BP, such genetic diversity as exists is mainly in Africa rather than between non-African populations. What is meant by indigenous should really be defined in terms of language and culture than rather than of race. I know a lot of people of ethnic stock who strike me as being very British indeed.
British Petroleum?
Quote: Rhubarb @ October 23 2009, 11:56 AM BST
Thanks for the advice (echoes of 1938) This hasn't been a rational debate.
Says he who flings casual Nazi inferences and references around whenever someone dares challenge him.
Quote: Tim Walker @ October 23 2009, 1:24 PM BST
Everyone seems to be saying that Griffin was exposed and made to look bad last night, but I just don't see it.
I know it might be going against the "party line" on this issue, but as I said before, there will a lot of people who will have watched that programme and have seen the other politicians and the audience bullying the man and won't like the way he was treated at all. I don't think it serves any purpose to pretend otherwise. The constant barrage of criticism he received will have gained him much sympathy from the wider non-political class.
If one is against the BNP then of course one would prefer to believe that he had been "found out" last night, but that's not the reality. None of the politicians properly debated him, they just made conspicuously self-congratulatory sound-bites to please the audience. They didn't really try to tackle him on any intellectual level, and the audience were like peasants with a blood lust, coming to throw rotten fruit at the man in the stocks.
True.
Quote: zooo @ October 23 2009, 1:39 PM BST
I think it went both ways, he did look like a bit of a bullied victim, but also thoroughly made a fool of himself and his party.
But nothing new. Nothing that we hadn't seen before. I'd have liked to have heard what he thought the best way of handling the postal strike was.
