Quote: zooo @ October 2 2009, 2:22 PM BSTAh of course, makes perfect sense.
Yes, it does.
There's no record of your existence before you're born. No official certificates or presence on a census. But one you are born, it's recorded for eternity. (Or until some gimp in the civil service leaves your files on a train.) It's the same principle. Something is created, and once it is it cannot end.
Quote: zooo @ October 2 2009, 1:55 PM BSTBut where weeeere you?
Where was your soul? The bit you think keeps on going 'somewhere else' after your body dies?
Some religions would say you were in your previous life.
Quote: sootyj @ October 2 2009, 2:20 PM BSTThat and getting married dressed as a Dalek always makes you look a twat.
Oh yes, the themed wedding experience. But at least you don't have to pretend to belive in Davros or attend church six weeks before the wedding.
I am getting tired of comedians going around saying 'Hey, look at me, I'm an atheist'...I always expect them to say 'And I've smoked a cigarette...and kissed a girl.'
It's a very childish middle class rebellion thing, which no one gives a toss about except for the comedian and perhaps the comedian's Mum and Dad.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ October 2 2009, 2:26 PM BST
Oh yes, the themed wedding experience. But at least you don't have to pretend to belive in Davros or attend church six weeks before the wedding.
I am getting tired of comedians going around saying 'Hey, look at me, I'm an atheist'...I always expect them to say 'And I've smoked a cigarette...and kissed a girl.'
It's a very childish middle class rebellion thing, which no one gives a toss about except for the comedian and perhaps the comedian's Mum and Dad.
Au contraire.
A mate of mine had a Star trek wedding, with readings from the articles of the Federation. Way more serious and faithful than my religious chums.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ October 2 2009, 2:12 PM BSTI thought the Judeo / Christian use of the word 'God' was because you couldn't use his real name 'Jehovah' or whatever.
Jahweh or Jehova it is, the word is just consonants so there are different variations when vowels are added. It basically translate as 'I am' which is what you are not allowed to say as that is to do with Godhead etc. So when Jesus was saying things like 'I am the way the truth and the light' etc it was considered blasphemous and what got him into trouble and why he was arrested. The old testament God, Jehova is only biblically one of other lesser gods.
Quote: sootyj @ October 2 2009, 2:37 PM BSTA mate of mine had a Star trek wedding, with readings from the articles of the Federation.
Oh Jesus f**king Christ please tell me this isn't true. 
Seriously, if so, then I say let's get on with wiping ourselves out with a nuclear Armageddon and give the bees a chance to rule the planet.
As for comedians expressing their religion, or lack thereof, I'd rather not know either way. I certainly don't want to hear any attacks on religion, because it's a pathetic easy target and hypocritical when they then would no doubt object to mocking race or skin colour. Unless it's Christians, white men, etc.
What I really don't like to know though, is a comedian's politics. No matter who they do or don't support, I just don't want to hear it.
Quote: Tim Walker @ October 2 2009, 2:43 PM BSTOh Jesus f**king Christ please tell me this isn't true.
Seriously, if so, then I say let's get on with wiping ourselves out with a nuclear Armageddon and give the bees a chance to rule the planet.
Did they have vows or Prime Directives?
And Tim, is getting married in Star Trek costumes anymore ridiculous then blowing £40,000 on a wedding and having everyone dressed up in non-Star Trek but equally ridiculous costumes?
But where weeeere you?
Where was your soul? The bit you think keeps on going 'somewhere else' after your body dies?
There is a school of thought which states that our whole notion of identity is an illusion, and that we have no free will. So 'you' wouldn't have been any where, because you don't really have the sort of identity you imagine you have (nothing personal..) This sounds like Buddhism, but is also part of a theory by Dr. Susan Blackmore.
Quote: Tim Walker @ October 2 2009, 2:43 PM BSTOh Jesus f**king Christ please tell me this isn't true.
Seriously, if so, then I say let's get on with wiping ourselves out with a nuclear Armageddon and give the bees a chance to rule the planet.
True he ressmebles a Cornish John Candy but he grew a beard so he could go as Riker.
The bestman was a Klingon.
Bless who are they hurting?
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ October 2 2009, 2:54 PM BST
Did they have vows or Prime Directives?
And Tim, is getting married in Star Trek costumes anymore ridiculous then blowing £40,000 on a wedding and having everyone dressed up in non-Star Trek but equally ridiculous costumes?
And did he introduce the Corbomite Maneuver during the honeymoon?
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ October 2 2009, 12:39 PM BSTOy vey! You're a crude, foul mouthed bunch, you Jews.
f**k off already
Quote: Aaron @ October 2 2009, 2:44 PM BSTAs for comedians expressing their religion, or lack thereof, I'd rather not know either way. I certainly don't want to hear any attacks on religion, because it's a pathetic easy target and hypocritical when they then would no doubt object to mocking race or skin colour. Unless it's Christians, white men, etc.
What I really don't like to know though, is a comedian's politics. No matter who they do or don't support, I just don't want to hear it.
I think it does risk alienating your audience if you attempt to push strong views in comedy.
Quote: Lee Henman @ October 2 2009, 1:49 PM BSTI dunno, I find it equally perplexing when people are completely shut-off to these kinds of ideas.
Who's shut off? It is possible to look at the ideas, find them clearly and obviously ludicrous, and dismiss them accordingly.
After all, nobody knows for absolute certain what's out there. The universe has been around for an unimaginably-long time, whereas us humans only popped up half a heartbeat ago. We can't even figure out how to invent a roll of sellotape that doesn't take half an hour to find the end, so for us to be making absolute rock-solid judgments on the existence of God or whatever is a joke in itself.
True enough. What's more ridiculous is imagining that a bunch of idiot goat herders had it all figured out thousands of years ago and that we should follow what they believed.
Quote: sootyj @ October 2 2009, 2:37 PM BSTA mate of mine had a Star trek wedding, with readings from the articles of the Federation. Way more serious and faithful than my religious chums.
This sounds fantastic fun. I'd totally be up for something like that.
The universe exists by design, I'm convinced. Like Tim, the more I learn about quantum theory and cosmology, the firmer my conviction becomes.
I can however see both viewpoints as being equally valid, it's just that my own particular 'search' has lead me to this conclusion, whereas others will have reasoned differently and gone the other way. Fair dos. I don't, like Kevin, take them less seriously because they've seen things I have not.
On the one hand, there is no 'proof' of a God or creative force/being/whatever. Fair enough.
On the other, that this perfect harmony of a trillion systems we call the universe came about through a f**king stupidly long chain of coincidences which culminated in one massive coincidence (the universe and all in it), might also be seen, by some, as iffy.
All we have is what we choose to believe.
When are 2ChristianTypists going to weigh in on this? Or did they already, I'm too sexy to read 13 pages of this guff.
