Quote: Tim Walker @ September 21 2009, 11:33 PM BST(Don't knock it, their gag reflex often disappears.)
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If you stick a load of naked boobie flesh on display, what does that say about you - either a) you want people to look at and admire your boobie flesh or b) only the top half of your chest gets really, really hot but not the bottom half and you have to wear outfits that allow for the cooling air to get to those regions. Option b) is bullshit, so it's always option a).
I'm sure we can contrive exceptions to what you consider to be the rule. Like, she could have literally nothing else to wear at that particular time. Or perhaps she was wearing these clothes as a bet. You may say these sort of exceptions prove the rule; maybe, but they certainly prove that a women does not *necessarily* wear revealing clothes just to attract attention. Her reasons are her own, and other people cannot be sure what's on her mind, from what she wears.
There is an important issue here, in that in rape cases, the judge has in the past sometimes ruled that provocative dress basically meant she was 'asking for it'. Could we at least all agree that this is completely out of order, and that no woman is 'asking' to be raped?
It's easy to see how the attitude that provocative dress always shows that a woman wants male attention, could lead to the attitude of the fusty judges blaming woman for being raped.
Quote: Nogget @ September 22 2009, 9:03 PM BSTThere is an important issue here, in that in rape cases, the judge has in the past sometimes ruled that provocative dress basically meant she was 'asking for it'. Could we at least all agree that this is completely out of order, and that no woman is 'asking' to be raped?
It's easy to see how the attitude that provocative dress always shows that a woman wants male attention, could lead to the attitude of the fusty judges blaming woman for being raped.
Totally agree.
I think it's a pretty backward, dangerous and conservative view to hold that women dress to provoke sexual attention.
Quote: RubyMae - Glamourous Snowdrop at Large @ September 21 2009, 11:44 PM BSTthe man was bleeding from his Mr Happytime
To be fair, I think if someone shouts "Oi love, nice tits", they can ether be leery or hurtful which can affect a womans self esteem. They might think they are being flattering but the girl might not be able to tell and it can be quite upsetting.
I would just like to point out in defence of some of the men that some women can be equally vile towards them when it comes to looks. We forget sometimes that they have insecurites too about their bodies.
Like Slag A, I suffer from crippling social awkwardness when the opposite sex approach me. This is due to the fact I am a recovering body dysmorphic and as such, I can find it very humilating to be looked at in a certain way because my condition decides to try and mess with me by telling me things like "He must think you are the ugliest troll in the world, otherwise why is he staring?" as a very mild and tame example and sometimes it takes all of my self control not to run out of a room so if a guy makes a vile comment towards me, while I don't try and show it, inside I am bursting to cry and trying not to run home and hide for five days. An interesting fact about my condition is 50% of sufferers are in fact male and it's not helped by the fact men are under as much pressure these days to look a certain way. I'd hate to be a guy who tries to approach a girl and her friends start laughing and yet, while this is not acceptable behavour, it doesn't get as much of a hammering as a group of guys laughing at a woman. At male strip shows, women have been known to get extremely out of hand, trying to grab the men and offering them sex and yet at a female strip show, a guy would be thrown out for that.
I'm in no way saying all women are like this just as not all men are pigs but it works both ways and I personally recognise this fact.
But again, no-one here is saying it's ok to touch, this is just about looking I don't know why it keeps turning into an arguement against rape etc
Quote: Moonstone @ September 22 2009, 9:11 PM BSTBut again, no-one here is saying it's ok to touch, this is just about looking I don't know why it keeps turning into an arguement against rape etc
Here here! 
Because no one has to stare and no one has to touch. Taking someone out in a wheelchair recently was quite enlightening about how people think they're entitled to have a good look at someone else, when it's none of their business.
If you start saying that staring (not looking, we all look at things) is okay then it starts from there.
I think staring is not the issue because I think a lot of the time it's involuntary. I think it's what you do after that first look that defines your behaviour as acceptable or not.
Quote: RubyMae - Glamourous Snowdrop at Large @ September 22 2009, 9:10 PM BSTAt male strip shows, women have been known to get extremely out of hand, trying to grab the men and offering them sex and yet at a female strip show, a guy would be thrown out for that.
I think that's women just imitating centuries of male behaviour and vice versa.
Can't we all just get along now?!
If you don't, I will play the guitar and Ian will dance and no one wants that.
Is this one of those many cases of the Minority spoiling it for the Majority.
*takes quick peek at Wifes boobs while she's not looking.
Quote: Steve Sunshine @ September 22 2009, 9:19 PM BSTIs this one of those many cases of the Minority spoiling it for the Majority.
*takes quick peek at Wifes boobs while she's not looking.
I like that. Sums it up for it! 
BTW you can look when you are married to the person, it's like written permission.
Quote: Steve Sunshine @ September 22 2009, 9:19 PM BST*takes quick peek at Wifes boobs while she's not looking.
That's a completely different matter. You're allowed to.
Quote: RubyMae - Glamourous Snowdrop at Large @ September 22 2009, 9:17 PM BSTI think staring is not the issue because I think a lot of the time it's involuntary. I think it's what you do after that first look that defines your behaviour as acceptable or not.
In a nutshell, spot on.