Shooting Stars Page 21

Quote: Lee Henman @ September 5 2009, 3:05 PM BST

Again, I have to ask, why would they want to change the format of the show? Why? Buzzcocks has never changed as far as I know. HIGNFY has never changed either. So why are Vic and Bob being "lazy" in not changing Shooting Stars?

Uvavu.

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The complaints are not suggesting that the whole format be revamped, just that if you're going to revive a show it might be better not to rely on nostalgia so much? These two are capable of genius comedy, but only when they can be really arsed. And since Catterick they haven't been arsed. The Smell Of... Reeves and Mortimer was superb, but much of Bang, Bang, It's Reeves And Mortimer was lazy comedy relying on old tricks and reputation.

You can't reasonably compare Shooting Stars with long-running panel shows for the reason that it's not a panel show. It's a comedy dressed up as a panel show, a big difference. The show relies on the writing before the show's recorded, not on the talents of the guests.

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ September 5 2009, 3:16 PM BST

You can't have it both ways Lee. You can't proclaim that Reeves and Mortimer are completely off the wall, totally orginal and surreal comedy genuises of our times when they just trot out the same routine over and over again.

HIGNFY is almost unwatchably stale and the Buzzcocks is losing talent like rats from a sinking ship. The difference being that HIGNFY and Buzzcocks weren't the brainchild of Reeves and Mortimer and thus never recieved the comedic high brow plaudits that were lauded over Shooting Stars.

Do I expect more from Reeves and Mortimer? Damn straight. Was I disappointed they didn't rejuvanate the genre? Damn straight.

So either quit eulogising the pair as the second coming or admit that this is a lazy money making exercise.

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If they'd changed it, everyone would've gone "It's not the same as it used to be, why have they changed it?". And if they HAD changed it, it wouldn't be Shooting Stars anymore would it? So they'd have to change the name. So if you're saying that you're disappointed Reeves & Mortimer haven't made a brand new show then fair enough. But otherwise, I'm not sure what you're saying.

Also we mustn't forget the commissioning angle. Pett Productions will have gone to the BBC with a new series of Shooting Stars on the table. If they'd have gone in to the meeting and said "Look, here's a new series of Shooting Stars...we've changed loads of stuff, completely reinvented the format, got rid of Matt Lucas because it might look like he's doing us a favour..." I reckon the conversation would've ended there. Nobody is taking risks in this climate. The commissioner saw that Shoting Stars is a tried and tested format that works, and stumped up the cash.

Quote: Lee Henman @ September 5 2009, 4:06 PM BST

If they'd changed it, everyone would've gone "It's not the same as it used to be, why have they changed it?".

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Not me, frankly. And fans of Vic & Bob are fans of Vic & Bob, I don't think they'd be that needy.

Quote: Lee Henman @ September 5 2009, 4:06 PM BST

Also we mustn't forget the commissioning angle.

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Yes, we must, as we're viewers, not producers or writers in this context.

Quote: Lee Henman @ September 5 2009, 4:06 PM BST

Nobody is taking risks in this climate. The commissioner saw that Shoting Stars is a tried and tested format that works, and stumped up the cash.

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We'd all like to get commissioned, Lee, but what's the point is the end product is mediocre? I lost out on a broadcast pilot this year due to reasons related the current economic climate. Doesn't mean I think I should necessarily go and write My Family 2.0.

Quote: Tim Walker @ September 5 2009, 4:09 PM BST

We'd all like to get commissioned, Lee, but what's the point is the end product is mediocre?

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It's not mediocre.

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ September 5 2009, 3:16 PM BST

So either quit eulogising the pair as the second coming or admit that this is a lazy money making exercise.

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You nor I have no real idea why they did another series, it could be for any number of reasons; including them just enjoying it. Who knows?

Quote: Matthew Stott @ September 5 2009, 4:14 PM BST

It's not mediocre.

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That's not the point I was making, but for R&M it is mediocre.

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ September 5 2009, 3:16 PM BST

You can't proclaim that Reeves and Mortimer are surreal comedy genuises of our times

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Well they are, that much is obvious.

Quote: Tim Walker @ September 5 2009, 4:15 PM BST

but for R&M it is mediocre.

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I would say the latest episode was anything but; it was properly funny stuff. Would I prefer a new long form series from them, or a new sketch show? Of course I would.

Quote: Tim Walker @ September 5 2009, 4:09 PM BST

Not me, frankly. And fans of Vic & Bob are fans of Vic & Bob, I don't think they'd be that needy.

Yes, we must, as we're viewers, not producers or writers in this context.

We'd all like to get commissioned, Lee, but what's the point is the end product is mediocre? I lost out on a broadcast pilot this year due to reasons related the current economic climate. Doesn't mean I think I should necessarily go and write My Family 2.0.

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Well that's where we disagree. I don't think it's mediocre at all. It's as good as it used to be. I for one would've been pissed off if they'd changed the show. As would most of its loyal viewers I suspect.

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ September 5 2009, 2:59 PM BST

Why do you hate Shooting Stars Tim? Why? I bet you're a kiddly fiddler and a gay and don't have a girlfriend. You scum, you rubbish, etc.

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Have you been hacking into my Facebook account again?

Quote: Tim Walker @ September 5 2009, 4:06 PM BST

These two are capable of genius comedy, but only when they can be really arsed. And since Catterick they haven't been arsed.

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I don't actually think that's true. Just because they are who they are, I don't think they automatically get a commision. They've said as much themselves, how they've found it tricky to get channels interested in a new show from them. They are very eager to create something new, they just haven't been given the opportunity recently. (On TV)

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ September 5 2009, 2:59 PM BST

Why do you hate Shooting Stars Tim? Why? I bet you're a kiddly fiddler and a gay and don't have a girlfriend. You scum, you rubbish, etc.

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Yes, that is just what everyone has being saying.

Time to quote myself. (I have to really, as I'm the only one wif lots of brains and who writes proper good stuff and that) -

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ August 27 2009, 2:36 PM BST

Yay! Give us Shooting Stars, we'd like more of the same.

Boo! We don't want more of the same we want something different.

Ah, the old fickle finger of fudge.

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Quote: Lee Henman @ September 5 2009, 4:18 PM BST

As would most of its loyal viewers I suspect.

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I would count myself as a loyal viewer and a loyal fan of R&M, being the first at my school to harangue my mates (and anyone else who would listen) to watch Vic Reeves Big Night Out and press-ganging people into coming to see the live shows. I count Catterick as one of the best sitcoms of the past ten years. Because I am such a loyal fan I'm not dismissive or hypocritical when I say I am disappointed by Shooting Stars. It's good to have them back on TV. I just can't pretend not to notice that this falls way short of what they are capable of. That is all.

Quote: zooo @ September 5 2009, 3:22 PM BST

I think it's an exercise to get permission to make a new series of Smell Of or Catterick, but I also can see that they really enjoy making Shooting Stars

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That's pretty much how I see it too. I like Shooting Stars, but would much prefer something new; if carrying on with this very enjoyable series helps them get towards that point, then brilliant.

Quote: Matthew Stott @ September 5 2009, 4:21 PM BST

I don't actually think that's true. Just because they are who they are, I don't think they automatically get a commision. They've said as much themselves, how they've found it tricky to get channels interested in a new show from them. They are very eager to create something new, they just haven't been given the opportunity recently. (On TV)

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Poor Reeves and Mortimer. I'd hate to be in that position.

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ September 5 2009, 4:24 PM BST

Poor Reeves and Mortimer. I'd hate to be in that position.

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I don't think you have anything to fear on that score.

(Come on now, you set yourself up for that one!)

Quote: Matthew Stott @ September 5 2009, 4:25 PM BST

I don't think you have anything to fear on that score.

(Come on now, you set yourself up for that one!)

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Maybe if Reeves and Mortimer had half the talent of Horne and Corden, they'd get a new show.