Attention all moon landing sceptics Page 12

Quote: SlagA @ July 20 2009, 11:22 PM BST

I enjoy a debate but not at the expense of riling other members. That's not my role.

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For what it's worth, I think you're one of the most well-spoken and thoughtful people on this forum, so I hope you don't think I'm riled by your posts in this thread. I understand the point you're trying to make and I respect it.

Sooty's point about vaccinations is a prime example about how dangerous denial of science can be. Worse yet, it doesn't just affect the deniers but rather endangers the health of all of humanity. We have to stamp out the kooks or we'll find ourselves throwing things like evolution, space travel and the Holocaust into the "it didn't happen" dustbin and I'd rather not see that happen.

Science can only be verified or disproved by the application of more science. If claims can't be backed up with scientific proof that is accepted by the majority of the scientific community then out they go.

Can we throw 1970s and 1980s fashion into the "it didn't happen" dustbin?

What so you can strut around naked...more often?

Can I just say that I have an American friend whose step dad was an Apollo 12 astronaut? She sent this earlier:

My stepfather said that the most amazing experience of his life was when he put his thumb up and covered his view of the Earth with it. He said, "Traci, imagine if every person you'd ever met or seen, every place you'd ever been was covered up by your thumb. It puts things into amazing perspective. http://www.abcnews.go.com/Technology/Apollo11MoonLanding/story?id=8124267&page=1

Quote: Tuumble @ July 21 2009, 1:27 AM BST

Can I just say that I have an American friend whose step dad was an Apollo 12 astronaut?

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Who is her stepfather? My company was founded by an Apollo 12 astronaut.

I was in contact with Buzz Aldrin recently for stamps we produced marking the 40th anniversary of the manned moon landing.

I also had lots of communication with Alan Bean who was on a later mission and did loads of paintings of the astronauts.

http://www.alanbeangallery.com/

I had sex with Roger Moore on the set of Moonraker.

Quote: Chappers @ July 21 2009, 1:34 AM BST

I also had lots of communication with Alan Bean who was on a later mission and did loads of paintings of the astronauts.

http://www.alanbeangallery.com/

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My office has a couple of signed Alan Bean prints that are autographed by about a dozen astronauts. I've often thought about walking off with them.

Quote: DaButt @ July 21 2009, 1:39 AM BST

My office has a couple of signed Alan Bean prints that are autographed by about a dozen astronauts. I've often thought about walking off with them.

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I'd never heard of him before about 6 months ago.

Quote: Chappers @ July 21 2009, 1:42 AM BST

I'd never heard of him before about 6 months ago.

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The Apollo astronauts were household names in the U.S. back in the sixties and seventies. They were my idols when I was growing up.

I think SlagA makes a good point *hides*.

I certainly don't see him denying the moon landings, but purely being brave enough to question them.

I don't understand how it's wrong to question anything. I welcome it. I crave his/ or anyone's understandings and perceptions of ideas. It purely feeds my own and expands them to areas I would've never imagined. Not only will I see my own vision of a square, but with other ideas being input; I can see a whole cube developing in front of my eyes.

I wish I had greater knowledge in the sciences. It look at it with great awe. Not because I always know what's happening; But because I can question it myself. My own interpretation fascinates me, and I long for others to share there's. Whether it be the leading theories in science or some blokes down the pub.

We all have a right to our own interpretation and if we never questioned what we see or absorb. Then the disbelief and interest is lost. A cold hard fact maybe interesting. But is the human race ever interested in the full stop or will the infinitive questions always be asked?

Quote: Leevil @ July 21 2009, 2:58 AM BST

I don't understand how it's wrong to question anything.

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They're not questioning the unknown. They're taking the work by thousands of the brightest minds in the field of science and claiming it never existed. This is a tangible historic event, not abstract theory. It's of the same scope as holocaust denial and it cannot be allowed to go unchallenged.

Surely, in the greater scheme of things. This event will prove to be insignificant? I'm thinking too big, and too much.

It's already been mentioned. But I believe your opinion is as strong as the argument against it. As would be yours, in response to this post.

It really is a matter of how you perceive things. I haven't seen the evidence, the data and research and if I did, I probably wouldn't understand it. In your perception, I probably shouldn't be allowed an opinion on such matter (no offence intended). In my perception, I could believe that all that data is made up. I'd have to have a wild imagination to back it up. But it's not completely impossible.

I'm trying hard not to repeat points already made. But I can't allow myself to just give in and follow what I've been told. Equally, I can't ignore the facts either. I've seen the footage, I've heard the stories. But that's all I have to go on. It's healthy to question everything. Especially something on a scale such as this.

Personally, for now, I'm happy to accept that we did go to the moon. But I will not believe it's 100% true, until you hit me over the head with it. Even then, I'd be checking for plastic parts and 'Made In Taiwan' stickers. Because it's my right too. And taking away that right, IS of the same scope as the Holocaust.

Quote: Leevil @ July 21 2009, 3:33 AM BST

Surely, in the greater scheme of things. This event will prove to be insignificant?

It really is a matter of how you perceive things. I haven't seen the evidence, the data and research and if I did, I probably wouldn't understand it. In your perception, I probably shouldn't be allowed an opinion on such matter (no offence intended). In my perception, I could believe that all that data is made up.

Personally, for now, I'm happy to accept that we did go to the moon. But I will not believe it's 100% true, until you hit me over the head with it. Even then, I'd be checking for plastic parts and 'Made In Taiwan' stickers. Because it's my right too. And taking away that right, IS of the same scope as the Holocaust.

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The moon landing was the most significant achievement in the last thousand years, if not recorded history.

Everyone is free to hold any opinion he'd like. But just because you haven't visited Latvia it doesn't mean that Latvia doesn't exist. And if you question its existence you should be ready to accept the criticism (ranging from mere eye rolling to outright ridicule) because you're clearly living in a fantasy world and refuse to accept what the rest of us know to be fact. We can accept the schizophrenic who thinks he's Napoleon because he doesn't have all his marbles. But if an otherwise levelheaded person made the same claim based on the "I don't believe everything I'm told" mantra we'll not be as forgiving.

I've never seen an electron with my own eyes, but I have no problem accepting their existence as explained by science. And until a large number of scientists refute their existence I won't bother taking the word of a few Internet crackpots as gospel while simultaneously dismissing millions of hours of research and proof with a wave of my hand.

Quote: DaButt @ July 21 2009, 3:51 AM BST

I've never seen an electron with my own eyes, but I have no problem accepting their existence as explained by science. And until a large number of scientists refute their existence I won't bother taking the word of a few Internet crackpots as gospel while simultaneously dismissing millions of hours of research and proof with a wave of my hand.

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That's what I said.

Quote: DaButt @ July 21 2009, 3:51 AM BST

And until a large number of scientists refute their existence

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Isn't that putting faith into someone else's hands? As far as I'm concerned electrons do exist, but only because I've chosen to believe this. There are millions of religious figures in the world. Do you believe their united truth? Have you studied every piece of data ever existed?

Did you read my theory on a sandwich shaped universe? I have evidence, don't let the file's .psd format put you off. Or how about I present it to you in small, fuzzy pieces? Here's a man speaking in a weird French dialect to explain more. 126 out of 131 of our sandwich scientists agree. Look, I can literally take a bite out of the universe, although this bit needs more mayo.

Sorry. I'm tired and craving a sandwich...