Attention all moon landing sceptics Page 11

The conspiracy theorists are not "free thinkers" who are breaking new ground, they're intent on disproving untold millions of hours of scholarly research and engineering and physics based on the flimsiest of excuses. They are not intent on advancing our knowledge, rather they seek to nullify, negate and reject what we have already learned and proven to be true. They wouldn't last a minute with a roomful of real engineers and scientists, so they preach only to themselves and the ignorant. Society is better off if we shame and confront their foolish beliefs.

Slagg no one's picking on you. We dislike the theory not you, it's almost cheering to see some one else other than me defending a daft idea. But you're hitting on an idea that has deep resonance for many people here.

I think one of the issues is that debate disenssion is essential, Darwin was a rebel. But this disension has to go somewhere, has to be for something. Darwin offered a new vision an alternative to the orthodoxies, Intelligent design is just opposition going nowhere.

One example for me is the MMR autism leak. Scientifically it just doesn't exist at all. But the "hmm there could be something in it" has led to something like a 20% drop in it's uptake. Kids are going to die over an unwillingness to accept veririable scientific fact.

The September 11th truthers are stifling any meaningful investigation into what really happened.

There's one key person missing from this thread...

Quote: Aaron @ July 20 2009, 9:25 PM BST

There's one key person missing from this thread...

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Who da't?

No wander they annoy you that must be very painful and damaging to the toilet.

Quote: Griff @ July 20 2009, 9:42 PM BST

Echoing what Sooty said - I have no beef with SlagA who is usually the voice of reason pouring balm on troubled waters here. But moon landing conspiracies boil my piss.

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I don't mind if people think the landings are hoaxes. I just think differently. According to Max Boyce it was Moch the Mechanic but I have my doubts.

eh?

Quote: sootyj @ July 20 2009, 9:49 PM BST

eh?

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Here ya go

The Ballad of Morgan the Moon

Old Moc the Mechanic, I remember him well
He once built a rocket, or so they will tell…
From and old winding engine he found on the dole
It was built in the Rhondda and powered by coal.
Chorus:
Sing; Falderal Dalderal Day
Falderal Dalderal Day…
Old Moc the Mechanic, I remember him well
He once built a rocket, or so they will tell…
From and old winding engine he found on the dole
It was built in the Rhondda and powered by coal.

Chorus

And when it was finished, he painted it red,
and he called it (pause) Bethania.. or so it is said.
And they took up a mountain on a night late in June
To get that bit closer, said Morgan the Moon.

Chorus
Sleepy Treorchy was bathed in white light
when the shuddering hulk, took off in the night.
A deafening scream and then a great roar as up passed the houses old Morgan did go!
His heatshield was glowing… like anthracite coal!
And we prayed down in Cardiff, in mission control.
And the barrow wheels dropped
As was previously planned and old Morgan prepared for Bethania to land.

Chorus

He landed like linen on a crusty old crater,
Dai said he'd get there lunar or later!

So off Morgan went in the moon swirling dust
To collect some rock samples from the crater's hard crust.

Chorus

A strange piece of rock soon old Morgan found,
It was lying there shining on the dust covered ground
He picked it up closely and he let out a call…
'Cause written right through it in Welsh was Porthcawl!

Chorus

Quote: Griff @ July 20 2009, 10:05 PM BST

I do try to like Max Boyce for patriotic/nostalgia reasons but he really doesn't help himself.

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Well I think you either do or you don't. I saw him when I was about 12 years of age and I found him funny but so did every age group in the audience. Seeing him live away from the camera is much better than what is served up on TV.

Quote: roscoff @ July 20 2009, 9:38 PM BST

Who da't?

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Our resident landing-rubbisher, of course!

Quote: Aaron @ July 20 2009, 9:25 PM BST

There's one key person missing from this thread...

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Bill?

Bill invented the moon in his shed.

Quote: Griff @ July 20 2009, 10:19 PM BST

You're probably right Roscoff. The Boyce is not for me.

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I sit next to his brother-in-law in band practise. Trufax.

If Bill is a moon landing sceptic then I imagine there's an avalanche of dodgy photo's and Aborigines telling us how it was all a hoax heading our way. Should be fun.

I didn't think I was being picked on. That's why I was careful to ensure you read it with a not a

I do spend a long time thinking about things. And if I've looked at something and make a decision, I'm okay with being the only person in the world who thinks that way. I'm not that worried about being alone in a view - it's my normal experience.

As to tone, I'm often incapable of working out emotional tone in a message but in this instance it's mainly why I butted out of the debate because I realised it was a raw nerve for some and I didn't want to aggravate people, whereas for me it was an interesting topic.

Quote: DaButt @ July 20 2009, 6:44 PM BST

The conspiracy theorists are not "free thinkers" who are breaking new ground,

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My comments re: science were generalised, set apart from this particular debate. There is a certain trend towards arrogance and unshakeable dogma within the scientific community that is unsettling. Variance from orthodoxy (wherever it occurs) is seen as crackpot. And yes, some are, but advance is smattered with with those who stood outside the box. Again, this is a generalised comment, set apart from the particular debate here. I'm not referring to moon hoax theorists here.

I'm also thinking of the scientists who lied and fixed experiments to keep theories alive. And we're not talking little lies. We're talking school textbook stuff that was taught as truth for decades before the fakery was uncovered. And still taught for decades after it was uncovered. And these were people promulgating the official line.

So no, I wasn't feeling picked on, and as I said I enjoy a debate but not at the expense of riling other members. That's not my role.

I think Slagg refers to this type of thing.

http://www.tmgnow.com/repository/cosmology/BBchallenged.html

I've never quite bought into the Big Bang Theory but I'm not clever enough to think of an alternative! I now prefer the string theory position where we have multi-layers of parralel universes and that these are doughnut shaped. The possibility that when we look at the stars that one of those stars may be our own sun is to me amazing.

But I also quite like the theory that there have been lots of Big Bangs but the fact is we're expanding too fast to contract! So this Big Bang was different? God knows. Oh and there's also himself of course. Confused