My husband wanted it for Howard Stern, while I wanted Sirius for NPR and the jazz stations. Then our antenna snapped 2 days before our subscription ended. I took it as a sign that we didn't need to be spending the money.
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Moon landing my arse, those are pictures of the Clangers, and the footprints lead to the Soup Dragon.
Quote: Tim Walker @ July 18 2009, 1:39 AM BSTWhat disturbs me is that people are quite happy (despite the evidence) to disbelieve that Man landed on the moon; but many of the same people follow astrology, and have no problem with the notion that somehow the moon exerts a mystical influence over their love lives and finances. (Despite absolutely no evidence.)
I agree with your general point, that astrology is basically unbelievable, and I'd argue that it is used as a cynical means to exploit vulnerable minds, but the moon does exert an influence over the Earth which can be seen in the tides, and the link between the menstrual cycle and the phases of the Moon is surely no co-incidence; so perhaps the moon does really affect our love lives.
As for the notion that the moon landings were faked, I think if that were true, then it would stand as the greatest artistic achievement of all time, and it would have been more difficult to fake it so well and in such a way which remains convincing (art forgeries tend to date badly) that it would have been easier to actually send them there.
The artifacts on the moon are from unmanned missions, or robot probes. Walter Cronkite was assassinated because he was about to spill the beans, 40 years after the original hoax.
Quote: DaButt @ July 18 2009, 3:46 AM BSTThe support people put stuff like that in their voluminous checklists and paperwork as a practical joke. The astronaut would be wandering around the moon, dutifully following the scripted procedures and he'd get a surprise when he turned the page.
Haha brilliant. It's also a contender for the joke with the biggest carbon footprint award.
The thing I find so foolish is the reasons for going into space were so obvious. It was a chance to develop missile technology and show it off to the Russians with out kicking off a war.
Quote: NoggetFred @ July 18 2009, 9:34 AM BSTI agree with your general point, that astrology is basically unbelievable, and I'd argue that it is used as a cynical means to exploit vulnerable minds, but the moon does exert an influence over the Earth which can be seen in the tides, and the link between the menstrual cycle and the phases of the Moon is surely no co-incidence; so perhaps the moon does really affect our love lives.
Unfortunately, this argument is based on the principal of "well, if X affects A, B & C, then it stands to reason that it affects D, E & F". The gravitational influence of the Moon over our tides is reasonable, though the Sun and the Earth's rotation have a bigger effect. Gravitational effects on the water within our cells due to the Moon are miniscule to the point of irrelevant - the Earth is a massive object, we are not. Gravity is a weak force, so weak that you can overcome the effect of a massive body like Earth's gravity with no real effort, just by idly lifting your foot off the ground. The Moon's relationship with menstruation is mainly evolutionary and breeding cycles in many species have a historic relationship with it. We as a species started out crawling out of the sea, where tides and seasons would have had caused evolutionary pressures and hence regulated a menstrual cycle. Menstrual cycles evolve out of evolutionary pressures both geographic, environmental and also (to a signficant extent) cultural. At our evolutationally and culturally hearts we are social, pack animals, hence the obervation that women who work closely together for a long period of time sometimes show evidence of their menstrual cycles becoming co-ordinated.
It's not good enough to say that because the Moon has some influence over some parts of our lives via physics and cultural and evolutionary pressures, that it "perhaps" has effects on us in more abstract and complex ways. By what mechanism? 
I'm in agreement with NoggetFred. The Moon is powerful enough to regulate the movement of a gazillion tonnes of water around our planet. That kind of power must haven an influence on us.
As for gravity being a weak force, rockets have to travel at 17,000 MPH just to break free of it's grip and make it into space. Try lifting both feet off the ground next time.
People with houses under power lines have 'mootated' kids and fall over of with cancer when they're 12. And really, what's that compared with the gravitational forces of the Moon?
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ July 18 2009, 1:29 PM BSTAs for gravity being a weak force, rockets have to travel at 17,000 MPH just to break free of it's grip and make it into space. Try lifting both feet off the ground next time.
Erm... it's all relative.
Quote: Leevil @ July 18 2009, 1:33 PM BSTErm... it's all relative.
To what?
*shrugs*
Mass?
I thought you were going to say 'Me'.
You?
Yes indeedy, from a perceptual point of view, everything is relative to me and I am literally the centre of my universe.
When I die, everyone and everything in existence will die with me, again according to my perception of events. To actually believe that life in the universe will go on after my death is actually a leap of faith and not a certainty.
Boom shanka.
Watched "What The Bleep Do We Know" t'other day. And according to them, you may be right.
(Cheesy film, but interesting)