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Quote: Lee Henman @ July 2 2009, 7:00 PM BST

See I don't get that. Nobody roots for successful people to fail in any other profession do they? You never hear people saying "That f**king Alan Sugar, it's about time he made some dodgy investments". No, he gets nowt but respect. Showbiz is such a weird profession to be in, with the public absolutely delighting in the downfalls of the famous.

I do agree to a point though about the press largely ignoring Merchant. If I was him I'd be thankful for that.

*Agrees*

Quote: sardines @ July 2 2009, 6:18 PM BST

Who'd consider Seinfeld to be modern anyways?

I dunno, it doesn't exactly seem dated to me either, outside of the look, or the clothes, or whatever.

Quote: sardines @ July 2 2009, 6:18 PM BST

...outta curiousity, what're the poor copies of Seinfeld and Entourage?

In terms of Seinfeld, I reckon he's refering to Not Going Out. Don't know about Entourage. Never seen it.

Quote: Yellows 586 @ July 2 2009, 7:13 PM BST

In terms of Seinfeld, I reckon he's refering to Not Going Out.

Well. It's a comedy set in a flat, I suppose, but I don't see a lot else to compare it. I wouldn't say it's any more a copy than Game On, or any other flat share comedy, so if that's what hes angling at, then he's wrong.

Quote: Yellows 586 @ July 2 2009, 7:13 PM BST

Don't know about Entourage. Never seen it.

It's about a movie star and his entourage, which consists of his brother and two best friends. I have no idea what the British copy of it he alludes to can be.

He wasn't crap on the 11 o clock Show. He was brilliant.

Quote: Matthew Stott @ July 2 2009, 7:20 PM BST

Well. It's a comedy set in a flat, I suppose, but I don't see a lot else to compare it. I wouldn't say it's any more a copy than Game On, or any other flat share comedy, so if that's what hes angling at, then he's wrong.

Well, I can't think what else he'd be refering to now. Bit of a strange one.

Quote: Matthew Stott @ July 2 2009, 7:20 PM BST

It's about a movie star and his entourage, which consists of his brother and two best friends. I have no idea what the British copy of it he alludes to can be.

I'v heard it's like a male 'Sex in the City' or something, which if that's the case I'd avoid both the American and British versions.

Quote: Yellows 586 @ July 2 2009, 7:34 PM BST

Well, I can't think what else he'd be refering to now. Bit of a strange one.

I'v heard it's like a male 'Sex in the City' or something, which if that's the case I'd avoid both the American and British versions whatever that may be.

Not that it is a problem, but he knows, we know, other comedians know that he is at the top of his game and in some peoples eyes is a comedy king.

I am a fan, and have been since the office broke. It was touch and go for him after the office for a while (celebrity boxing for comic relief) and he was either going to sink or swim.
But, he transformed himself from 'David Brent' to Ricky Gervais, and pulled it off. I think he is a brilliant standup too, something he had never done before.

I do think that people dislike him because he is who he is. An arrogant funny f**ker with too many awards that he doesn't shut up about.
I admire that. if I was where he was, I would be doing the same?

He says what he wants, and doesn't give a f**k.
Same as other men in the top their field- Simon cowell, Gordon Ramsay and the rest.

I recommend his podcasts and audiobooks with Karl Pilkington.

They rival the office on the works he has done IMO.

F**king hilarious.

Quote: sardines @ July 2 2009, 6:18 PM BST

he's looooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnngggggggggggg overdue a big fall from grace, Shandling was the closest to pull it off.

You have no idea what you're talking about! Shandling didn't do anything, apart from making himself look a complete tosser. The Office is better than anything Shandling has done, in my opinion. Yet Shandling thought he was so superior to Gervais, he wasn't, isn't.

Quote: Jacob Loves Comedy @ July 2 2009, 7:50 PM BST

You have no idea what you're talking about! Shandling didn't do anything, apart from making himself look a complete tosser.

He really did come across like an odd, prickly tosser for no apparent reason. I mean, he'd agreed to be interviewed, hadn't he, so why act like such an arse?

I'm neither saying yes or no to this debate but making an observation here. I don't think it's so much that people hate success in showbiz but that they dislike the person, if (like Corden, Coogan and Gervais) the talent side comes with overt arrogance or a certain lack of (I can't find the right word) likeability. Pegg has ridden the wave and not been sniped to such an extent because he has a likeability that carries in his acting and 'real' life.

People don't begrudge success combined with arrogance in showbiz only. Easy example. Ronaldo (top of his game, any team in the world would have him), yet universally hated by all non-United fans for his arrogance and that certain unlikeability he has. Still searching for the right word here. Other examples. I can't imagine Investment Banker going down too well in introductions these days. Oasis, many dislike them for being oafish twats, despite the music. Doherty. Some of the super-models exude unlikeability.

I think people react to this (opposite of) quality in others because as human beings, no matter how talented we are, or how high up we climb, there is no excuse for arrogance to another human being.

I think this debate is confused because several factors (not just success) are involved.

Quote: sardines @ July 2 2009, 6:18 PM BST

...outta curiousity, what're the poor copies of Seinfeld and Entourage?

I'm guessing The IT Crowd for Seinfeld, Linehan is a big Seinfeld fan and there have been many of the same set-ups and gags used in The IT Crowd that had previously been done in Seinfeld.

Not sure with Entourage, never seen it.

Quote: Matthew Stott @ July 2 2009, 8:23 PM BST

He really did come across like an odd, prickly tosser for no apparent reason. I mean, he'd agreed to be interviewed, hadn't he, so why act like such an arse?

Exactly. It doesn't matter what either man has done in comedy, but on the basis of that interview Shanlding just didn't seem like a nice person. A complete arse in fact. So when people say Shandling was being "clever" and "showed Gervais up for what he really is" they have no idea what they are talking about.

If you want a decent interview with two comedy greats who both seem genuinly nice people as well as being extremely brilliant at what they do then watch Ricky's interview with Larry David.

Quote: Jacob Loves Comedy @ July 2 2009, 9:01 PM BST

If you want a decent interview with two comedy greats who both seem genuinly nice people as well as being extremely brilliant at what they do then watch Ricky's interview with Larry David.

"You're great Larry"
"You're even better Ricky"
"Oh nonsense, you're amazing..."

Quote: Jacob Loves Comedy @ July 2 2009, 9:01 PM BST

on the basis of that interview Shanlding just didn't seem like a nice person. A complete arse in fact. So when people say Shandling was being "clever" and "showed Gervais up for what he really is" they have no idea what they are talking about.

...but you can be clever and show someone up while being an arse, it just means that it'll prove difficult to win other people over.

Quote: Jacob Loves Comedy @ July 2 2009, 7:50 PM BST

You have no idea what you're talking about! Shandling didn't do anything, apart from making himself look a complete tosser. The Office is better than anything Shandling has done, in my opinion. Yet Shandling thought he was so superior to Gervais, he wasn't, isn't.

Shandling is a ridiculously awkward man, I'd absolutely hate to meet him. Although he also had the sense to not be a big outlandish personality voicing every little thing when he was a big name because he was almost certainly aware he's a bit of a prick, like the Sanders character... in fact, the Sanders character often seems scarily close to the bone.

...BUT he is(well... was, he pretty much lost his mind after Larry Sanders if you ask me) infinitely more talented than Gervais ever will be. With two truly innovative shows which nurtured all sorts of writing talent, that goes without saying really. The fact he decided to challenge himself when he could've easily got a cushy chat show slot.

Shandling almost certainly became obsessed that it'd be entirely on his terms, he seems the petty sort... especially these days.

Gervais could've at least read Shandling's wiki and lord knows what he was expecting from the whole "you look like yer man from the banana splits" thing.

Basically if he done any research at all into Shandling, he would've been aware that the sort of pally pally interviewing he was trying to use would never work well with him, watching Sanders would tell you that. After that, Shandling set out to destroy the interview(which if I'm not mistaken, he more or less says when the credits are rolling).

It's a shame the interview wasn't the other way around cos Shandling pressed Gervais a few times(not the Nazi one though, also note dodgy editing at the end of the cerebral palsy one) with some good questions, Gervais had nothing for him.

The way this thing always boils down is that fans of Gervais say he came outta it better and Shandling fans say the opposite.
The interview made me like Ricky a bit more cos when he drops that arrogance thing, he can be rather likeable. Shandling undoubtedly came outta it worst, but was fascinating to watch and mauled Ricky every time he tried.

I still think it was an act on both their parts.
I guess I'd accept it wasn't if Ricky actually came and told me so. But until that unlikely event...

Gervais is a psychotherapist's wetdream. All this criticism is actually 'projected' self hate.

I missed you GT.

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