I like the way you're all pretending to be happy, when really you're all burning up inside! 
Baby Cow 3: Mini update Page 2
I'm about 50:50. 
Quote: Seefacts @ August 11, 2007, 11:48 AMI like the way you're all pretending to be happy, when really you're all burning up inside!
I'm yet to send a pilot out so I've got nothing to burn-up about. All I know is that when I sent sketches into comps and didn't get as far as others here I was delighted that they did as its good to see like-minded people succeeding. It makes you believe you can a bit more.
Personally, I don't get bitter about other peoples successes. I don't see the point and I'm not that insecure.
The more people who get successful on the site, the more advice and experience they can pass on to everyone else. Good luck again Sam!
Quote: Seefacts @ August 11, 2007, 11:48 AMI like the way you're all pretending to be happy, when really you're all burning up inside!
I'm not burning up inside just annoyed my voodoo doll isn't working, probably because i'm using safety pins. Good luck Sam 
Quote: Sam Caine @ August 10, 2007, 9:52 PMI sent my ten pages, then he requested the entire script and synopses. This is the first script I have sent off to a production company at all.
You must be very excited, mate! Incredibly well done!
Frankie xxx
Quote: Seefacts @ August 11, 2007, 11:48 AMI like the way you're all pretending to be happy, when really you're all burning up inside!
If you're having these envy attacks regularly, Mr Seefacts you need to see Dr Felcher...
INT. DOCTORS SURGERY.
DOC:
So you're having envious thoughts, Mr Seefacts... mmm, let me have a look, oh I can see the problem... trousers down, please
MR SEEFACTS:
But..
DOC:
Are you the doctor? I said trousers down...
Another Dr Felcher classic (under dubious license agreement)
Copyright Slagg Bros 2007
I agree with Seefacts, and I'm glad he had the guts to say it. It's human nature to want to succeed. And if you can't succeed then you want others to fail. And even if you do succeed, you're quite happy to see people fail. Who amongst us hasn't got a sadistic kick when a friend has been sacked or their marriage gone tits up?
Quote: chipolata @ August 13, 2007, 11:24 AMI agree with Seefacts, and I'm glad he had the guts to say it. It's human nature to want to succeed. And if you can't succeed then you want others to fail. And even if you do succeed, you're quite happy to see people fail. Who amongst us hasn't got a sadistic kick when a friend has been sacked or their marriage gone tits up?
Seriously, speak for yourself. I did basic psychology and that is a clear case of insecurity issues, don't paint everyone with your brush. I've had to help to deal with friends who have had break-ups and, believe me, I wouldn't wish it upon anyone.
I have no doubt people do feel like you two but don't label us all, and seriously deal with it. It can only make you even more bitter as you get older.
The idea that I should be pleased for somebody I don't know getting to first base with a production company is frankly ludicrous. I do however find it interesting to see how he does and hope he continues posting updates. As for getting a sadistic kick out of others failure, it's part of human nature. It's also something Morrisey, Jarvis Cocker, Woody Allen, Armando Inannuuci, Martin Amis and Joseph Heller have written and talked about... As for me being bitter, I work for a leading charity and do voluntary work on top of that. So I probably make an infinitely more impressive contribution to society than you will ever hope to. Oh, and I've also had my work broadcast on BBC7, Radio 4 and Radio 1, so I'm probably a more succesful writer than you (and better able to understand human psychology if you're bland and insipid comments are anything to go by).
Quote: chipolata @ August 15, 2007, 10:25 AMThe idea that I should be pleased for somebody I don't know getting to first base with a production company is frankly ludicrous. I do however find it interesting to see how he does and hope he continues posting updates. As for getting a sadistic kick out of others failure, it's part of human nature. It's also something Morrisey, Jarvis Cocker, Woody Allen, Armando Inannuuci, Martin Amis and Joseph Heller have written and talked about... As for me being bitter, I work for a leading charity and do voluntary work on top of that. So I probably make an infinitely more impressive contribution to society than you will ever hope to. Oh, and I've also had my work broadcast on BBC7, Radio 4 and Radio 1, so I'm probably a more succesful writer than you (and better able to understand human psychology if you're bland and insipid comments are anything to go by).
Right back at ya with the agreeing!
Quote: chipolata @ August 15, 2007, 10:25 AMThe idea that I should be pleased for somebody I don't know getting to first base with a production company is frankly ludicrous. I do however find it interesting to see how he does and hope he continues posting updates. As for getting a sadistic kick out of others failure, it's part of human nature. It's also something Morrisey, Jarvis Cocker, Woody Allen, Armando Inannuuci, Martin Amis and Joseph Heller have written and talked about... As for me being bitter, I work for a leading charity and do voluntary work on top of that. So I probably make an infinitely more impressive contribution to society than you will ever hope to. Oh, and I've also had my work broadcast on BBC7, Radio 4 and Radio 1, so I'm probably a more succesful writer than you (and better able to understand human psychology if you're bland and insipid comments are anything to go by).
And it will all still end in tears...
Quote: chipolata @ August 15, 2007, 10:25 AMThe idea that I should be pleased for somebody I don't know getting to first base with a production company is frankly ludicrous. I do however find it interesting to see how he does and hope he continues posting updates. As for getting a sadistic kick out of others failure, it's part of human nature. It's also something Morrisey, Jarvis Cocker, Woody Allen, Armando Inannuuci, Martin Amis and Joseph Heller have written and talked about... As for me being bitter, I work for a leading charity and do voluntary work on top of that. So I probably make an infinitely more impressive contribution to society than you will ever hope to. Oh, and I've also had my work broadcast on BBC7, Radio 4 and Radio 1, so I'm probably a more succesful writer than you (and better able to understand human psychology if you're bland and insipid comments are anything to go by).
Well, well... we don't have to ask what kind of insecurities you've got, you're telling us! You should see a psychologist, they can help people like you. You must be a deeply unhappy person.
The sacked or marriage thing was a bit strong really.
It's more to do with wanting rivals, or people you dislike, to fail. (Who doesn't see someone they hated at school working at Sainsbury and feel really pleased?)
The problem is when someone says 'I've got this far' people start to panic and wonder why they're not getting that far too. They quiz the person asking how they did it - when the simple answer is 'They wrote something good'.
Frank Skinner said, on new comics, 'I don't like the part of me that wants them to be shit'.
As writers, we're all rivals. If someone get a meeting with a producer - that's one less chance someone else here has.
You can only truly be happy for someone if you getting along equally well.
Quote: Seefacts @ August 15, 2007, 11:09 AMThe sacked or marriage thing was a bit strong really.
It's more to do with wanting rivals, or people you dislike, to fail. (Who doesn't see someone they hated at school working at Sainsbury and feel really pleased?)
The problem is when someone says 'I've got this far' people start to panic and wonder why they're not getting that far too. They quiz the person asking how they did it - when the simple answer is 'They wrote something good'.
Frank Skinner said, on new comics, 'I don't like the part of me that wants them to be shit'.
As writers, we're all rivals. If someone get a meeting with a producer - that's one less chance someone else here has.
You can only truly be happy for someone if you getting along equally well.
I think wanting to succeed is not the same as wanting others to fail. All comedy writers who are not collaborating are in competition for the opportunities that exist for their work. So we are competing against each other. I want to win but my thoughts are centred on me winning not you losing, I don't take any pleasure when you lose.
The fact that you have won or lost is not particularly relevant to me except as has been said it's interesting to try to understand why somebody has been successful so you can relate it back to your own work. If an unknown writer succeeds I am pleased that someone unknown has succeeded and I'll congratulate them, but I am also happy for myself since I am an unknown writer too, and it's good to know that an unknown writer can make it.
I am not particularly happy when somebody I don't know wins, but I don't envy them as their win is not relevant to me. It's their win for them to enjoy. I am more thinking, what do I need to do to get my win?
If you have a sick mind of course you may well take pleasure in other peoples loss, misery, failure, etc. If you do take pleasure in this kind of thing then it means there is something missing in your own life. And of course some people have sicker minds than others... Is envy part of human nature? Of course, but not a praiseworthy part, it's a negative cancerous part that I'm glad doesn't feature heavily in my outlook.
Taking pleasure in the fact the you have got a good job and someone else is working on a check-out says awful things about you. I wouldn't mention it to prospective friends/partners... on the other hand, you better had then it might save them some misery!
I think writing a good sitcom is very difficult indeed and a lot of hard work and dedication. I'm full of admiration for anybody who can offer a complete product and get some success. Fair play to you Sam. I hope you go all the way mate.
Seefacts, don't get too cynical.