Gay Jokes/Characters In Comedy Page 4

Quote: sootyj @ March 30 2009, 3:45 PM BST

Yes but they're camp and not all gay. Certainly a case could be made that Dafydd isn't and poor Goody is in deep lust with the redoubtable Habeeb.

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Well Lee does say they're screamingly camp, which they all are, not gay. And that Goody character I always just found odd; funny, but odd. He's played in such a screamingly gay way, and yet he's supposed to fancy women; but we're laughing at exactly the same thing if they'd have just gone the whole hog and made him lust after Atkinson. We're laughing at his overt, camp 'gayness'.

Quote: Maurice Minor @ March 31 2009, 10:12 AM BST

Well that was never explicitly stated either!

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I think you can just about read between the lines.

Quote: Matthew Stott @ March 31 2009, 1:43 PM BST

I think you can just about read between the lines.

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they are quite thin and blue

>_<

ducky x

Thanks for some very well thought-out and reasoned replies.
For the record I only qualified my sexuality so as to show what position I was coming at this from (shit!)
However if you'd been a fly on the wall at a couple of all-male parties during my teenage years... (I was never confused)
I also don't claim that having gay makes gives me any insight into homosexuality.
I've usually been flattered by any advances made on me by gay guys, most of those I know aren't at all camp - not that I have problem with campness unless it strays into f**king annoyingness territory.
Perhaps we should have an anti-hero gay in sitcom which breaks the stereotypes - i.e. Gay, fat, no dress sense, poor personal hygiene and married?

The other point I was trying to focus on is, as writers, should we just be a little more careful of making lazy gay jokes, even if they're not related to gay characters?

In a pilot I wrote set in a hotel (yes, I know) I had the manager (COLIN) showing a new receptionist (JESS) around the hotel and have the following exchange.

COLIN: Oh, by the way, if two blokes check-in together. You know, one bed, probably gay? Try and put them on the ground floor.

JESS: Why?

COLIN: Keeps them away from the lifts.

Now, Colin is a weird character, so not even I know what is going on in mind re: gays and lifts. But (even if you don't find it funny), is it an offensive line?

I don't find that an offensive line in the slightest. If anything it's just highlighting Colin's weirdness. It's funny too!

I find that line funny - because it doesn't mean anything.
If I found out it did mean something, it wouldn't be so funny.

Er, if that makes sense.

Hello zooo!

Oh don't you start that hello thing again!

You unnerving chap.

(Hello.)

Quote: zooo @ March 31 2009, 10:39 PM BST

I find that line funny - because it doesn't mean anything.
If I found out it did mean something, it wouldn't be so funny.

Er, if that makes sense.

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Well, exactly. It's obviously part of a long scene and the line was designed (?) to illustrate part of Colin's weird imagination - I have no idea why he thinks lifts and gays are a bad combination.
So I don't view it offensive, just a weird thing to say which catches an audience's attention.

Quote: Tim Walker @ March 31 2009, 10:56 PM BST

Well, exactly. It's obviously part of a long scene and the line was designed (?) to illustrate part of Colin's weird imagination - I have no idea why he thinks lifts and gays are a bad combination.
So I don't view it offensive, just a weird thing to say which catches an audience's attention.

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Come on Tim it's obviosuly a reference to Tom Cruise! His surname isn't a jolly co-incidence!

Eh?

Quote: Tim Walker @ March 31 2009, 11:21 PM BST

Eh?

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Eh indeed!

Quote: Tim Walker @ March 31 2009, 11:21 PM BST

Eh?

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Lifts. Make a small man taller. {no reference to your friend Seefacts]

Cruise. To pick up gay men or try to.

Quote: Lee Henman @ March 30 2009, 2:01 AM BST

Jim Royle: Workshy Northern lazy twat.

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I don't think that's a fair stereotype. There were a lot of people out of work in the North, especially in the '80s, but that was because of an acute lack of jobs. Anyway, isn't Del Boy averse to getting an honest job, just as much as Jim Royal is?

Quote: Tim Walker @ March 29 2009, 10:20 PM BST

Can anyone remember a sitcom or comedy sketch where a character who is gay is not played for laughs - and at that rather seedy laughs or just camp innuendo?

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Billy Crystal's character in Soap.

Quote: catskillz @ March 31 2009, 11:39 PM BST

I don't think that's a fair stereotype.

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Is there such a thing as a fair stereotype?