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F***ing Hypocrites

Sorry a burst of anger here and hopefully I may cool down later... but 4laughs moderators go on saying Yielding was a true talent and a master of what he did... (which he was).

Yet 4laughs clearly didn't see that as they never gave him anything in return for his literal hours upon hours of hard work! Yet they come out saying how much they respected his talent! They respected f**k all!

"His talent was one to behold. 4Laughs didn't help him - he helped us!" - Chris Norman - Moderator

I know they were trying to pay condolences but they shouldnt come out with stuff like that and expect us to forgive them for deleting the threads in the first place.

If this thread is going too far please delete I am aware I'm in a bit of a mood over this but I had to get my view across.

sorry i'm a bit lost, what happened exactly?

Quote: Pilot @ July 30, 2007, 5:24 PM

sorry i'm a bit lost, what happened exactly?

https://www.comedy.co.uk/forums/thread/2577

they've lost the plot and some contributors

I've never got on with that place anyway.

Quote: paul watson @ July 30, 2007, 5:19 PM

Sorry a burst of anger here and hopefully I may cool down later... but 4laughs moderators go on saying Yielding was a true talent and a master of what he did... (which he was).

Yet 4laughs clearly didn't see that as they never gave him anything in return for his literal hours upon hours of hard work! Yet they come out saying how much they respected his talent! They respected f**k all!

"His talent was one to behold. 4Laughs didn't help him - he helped us!" - Chris Norman - Moderator

I know they were trying to pay condolences but they shouldnt come out with stuff like that and expect us to forgive them for deleting the threads in the first place.

If this thread is going too far please delete I am aware I'm in a bit of a mood over this but I had to get my view across.

Totally. Couldn't agree more.

Ooooooooooooooh!!!!!

I love bitchin.
Who else can we slag off.

Paul Mate I think in the heat of the moment you're going way over the top with your criticism of 4laughs.

Sure there are plenty of warts but it has been good for a lot of us including you and Yielding too...

Hypocrites?

Maybe they are but you'll find just about everybody in the commercial entertainment world is, especially a place like Channel 4 TV, it goes with the territory... there are flies around every shit heap...

In the end mate, if you don't like 4laughs, why go there?

:)

Peace and good will, m8!

Frankie xxx

I think this just highlights the problems facing 'new writers'. As there is no way for a production company to filter out all the terrible writers to look at the good ones (there are no worthwhile qualifications in comedy writing or apprenticeships) their are very few avenues to take for a new writer, only by winning a major competition or getting very lucky with a production company's slush pile are you going to get in. And even then...
4Laughs seems to offer another alternative, but (and I could be wrong!) Channel 4 doesn't seem to pick up writers from it. I'm not saying it's not a very useful site for writers, with the forums and info on competitions, but I do think it oversells itself when it keeps implying 'come to our site and if you're good and put the effort in, you'll get into TV'.

What's been your experiences with 4Laughs Frankie?

I'd never heard of 4Laughs until a few ex-4Laugh-ers turned up here. Personally I like a challenge ... so I immediately joined! but then I noticed if you want to post you have to be awake between 8pm and midnight ... not the most productive part of the day in my case! They seem to have grillions of people logged in at any particular time ... nevertheless I prefer it here where you roughly know the preferences and idiosyncracies of those who you're talking to. Already I think this is a far more friendly place to be! Probably it does oversell ... 4 Laughs that is ... I think I'll just treat it as another place to hang around sometimes ... like I do a lot of music forums ... if they ain't doin' the blues in there somewhere then I'll likely cut out.

Quote: Frankie Rage @ July 31, 2007, 11:04 PM

Paul Mate I think in the heat of the moment you're going way over the top with your criticism of 4laughs.

Sure there are plenty of warts but it has been good for a lot of us including you and Yielding too...

Hypocrites?

Maybe they are but you'll find just about everybody in the commercial entertainment world is, especially a place like Channel 4 TV, it goes with the territory... there are flies around every shit heap...

In the end mate, if you don't like 4laughs, why go there?

:)

Peace and good will, m8!

Frankie xxx

*Cooled down* Probably over the top no doubt but in the heat of the moment I did make some valid points, the site bothers me too much now (that means I don't really go on there very often) I'd rather work at my own pace and produce what I want instead of uploading stuff that gets little/no recognition or feedback, I still on occasion go on and enter the odd piece but I never go out of my way to write or enter anything for them (like I used too) and thinking cause it didn't win I wasn't good at what I did and feel bad.

And as my original statement said they say he was amazing at what he did... if he was why didn't channel 4 commission him to do something or at very least bring him in for a meeting instead of someone else discovering him!

Peace out Frankie
:$

Quote: Simon Stratton @ August 1, 2007, 2:12 PM

I think this just highlights the problems facing 'new writers'. As there is no way for a production company to filter out all the terrible writers to look at the good ones (there are no worthwhile qualifications in comedy writing or apprenticeships) their are very few avenues to take for a new writer, only by winning a major competition or getting very lucky with a production company's slush pile are you going to get in. And even then...
4Laughs seems to offer another alternative, but (and I could be wrong!) Channel 4 doesn't seem to pick up writers from it. I'm not saying it's not a very useful site for writers, with the forums and info on competitions, but I do think it oversells itself when it keeps implying 'come to our site and if you're good and put the effort in, you'll get into TV'.

What's been your experiences with 4Laughs Frankie?

First things first, one thing the site doesn't do is SAY 'come to our site and if you're good and put the effort in, you'll get into TV'. I think people just assume because it's under the Channel 4 TV umbrella then that's what it must be. This is often picked up on by new (and old) contributors but nowhere does Channel 4 actually say that. I've looked! It may be implied but it's definitely not stated!

What they actually do say is that this is a 'do it yourself' comedy site and it's geared up more towards writers who want to produce work that goes beyond the script, i.e. audio, video and animation. However writers can post scripts and get feedback from other contributors and occasionally 4laughs Editors; also there are script competitions and very occasionally in those you also get feedback from Baby Cow and others in the biz.

But beyond scripts, it's mainly a site where you can showcase your audio, video, acting and animation skills through entering the competitions. I've found it to be a good place if you're a writer who wants to get his work developed through performance.

I originally went on the site in the hope of improving my comedy writing and ended up joining up with some like minded others and we formed a little group called 'Junk Males' and have recorded sketches, both audio and video. During this process I've had a go at camera work and all that goes with setting up a shoot, a bit of editing and a bit of acting. Without the site I wouldn't have met these guys and gals and we've had a lot of fun. We have won some 4laughs competitions, DVD's and stuff (including 4laughs mugs!) but also £500 with which we've bought some better gear and I had 30 minutes with quite a decent prostitute...

We've now started to look outside 4laughs and one of our writers has just had two sketches accepted and recorded by the BBC in their 'Play and Record' effort.

In conclusion, the 4laughs site is mostly for people who want to write, develop AND perform their own material, even if only to demonstrate how it might live 'off the page'. You'd still need to go out and find a market for your stuff via the traditional methods: production companies, major competitions, intercourse with a Producer, etc.

4laughs isn't a route in to a Channel 4 TV contract UNLESS you are capable of securing a TV contract by the traditional methods anyway.

Think about it... it couldn't be really, could it?

;)

Well for your info you've just come 4th in a script comp there. Okay so it's not first but you've obviously beaten others to it so like Frankie says, be cool.

Paul mate I think all 4laughers (including me) are disappointed that Channel 4 doesn't pluck a few people and their work off the 4laughs site and do something with them, but they haven't and I think that is just not what the site is about.

It's more about what you are going to do for yourself by your own efforts and Channel 4 will have to be approached either directly (or via production companies) if you want a Channel 4 commission, irrespective of whether you're on 4laughs or not.

Peace Cosmos ... still love some of your scripts!

Yer pal,

Frankie

www.melaniec.it

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