Quote: Matthew Stott @ March 14 2009, 10:48 PM GMTNot much to go on, but it's still made me go 'oooohhhh'!
I should have said they were merely 3 seconds of new Dwarf.
Red Dwarf to return Page 12
This is going to be the best looking Dwarf ever! 
Except the first few series when Lister, Rimmer and Cat were all young and rather hot?
One lady does not the best looking Red Dwarf ever make. 
Peronally, I'm immensely looking forward to this as I still think the Dwarf has unfinished business.
I can't see what problem people have with series 7 or 8. OK, so there was a woman (as opposed to a female computer) in it. Well, I know this may surprise some of the more hardened sci-fi anoraks out there, but some of us like women!! I have one sat next to me right now (although admittedly she didn't care much for series 8 either).
Ok, 7 was a bit 'big budget' and clinical compared to the cosiness of the early series'. Ok, there was too much America-pleasing CGI, and Rimmer was only there part of the time. Valid criticism.
But he came back fulltime for series 8, and I think the idea of the 'prison ship' was well handled, epecially the reintroduction of Mac Macdonald as Captain Hollister. OK, the idea of there now being a whole race of living humans again kind of negates Lister's existence as laid down in OUROBOROS. But since when did they ever follow anything in a completely linear fashion? And KRYTIE TV is a work of utter genius.
Jeez, for the firt three series they couldn't even decide whether Rimmer was from Earth or Saturn, or what century Lister was born in. Blaming Kochanski/Chloe Annett for the elements of the series people personally didn't like is very narrow thinking. Her dialogue in some episodes of series 7, such as DUCT SOUP, could have been better handled, but she didn't write it herself, did she?
At least it was an attempt to break some new ground, unlike series 6 (although I admit to still watching it about 20 times) which recycled the same 'space corps directive/'Ronnie Real' 'the damage report machine's been damaged'/'scum-sucking' jokes every episode ad infinitum, and milked endless crap similes such as 'my nostrils are quivering like an opera singer's bosom on the high notes' variety to the point of redundancy.
If there's one character who did seem superfluous the longer the show went on, it was the Cat - from series 6 onwards he played less and less part in the actual plot to the point that you wondered what his actual purpose was. Even Holly had an episode that dealt with particular issues of his/her own - WHITE HOLE - whereas John Jules' feline had none, although I am aware that one was planned and subsequently scrapped for series 7. The dynamic that exists between Lister and Rimmer, or Lister and Kryten, just doesn't apply here and I'm sure I can't be the only one to be tired of the endless 'flames and peach'/'innards and lavender' lines. Ironically, the only hints at depth to his persona occurred when he became Duane Dibley.
Actually, the lack of either version of Holly in the forthcoming episodes is the only thing that worries me. I know that Hattie Hayridge didn't get on well with the rest of the cast, but for me the golden era was series 3-5, and if they are ever to recapture that glory than that's the cast they should use, with Kochanski as an 'optional'. I don't see the point of Sophie Winkleman's character at all, but I'm willing to give her a go (as a viewer, I mean, no innuendo intended).
If the whole thing turns out to be another post-modernist deconstruction meant to cash in on Charles' role in the irksome CORONATION STREET, however, then I will be annoyed. But other than that, I'm still drooling at the prospect of a new series. Bring on the smeg!!
Quote: Badvoc @ March 17 2009, 10:54 PM GMTActually, the lack of either version of Holly in the forthcoming episodes is the only thing that worries me. I know that Hattie Hayridge didn't get on well with the rest of the cast
Didn't she? I've never heard that before. I know Norman Lovett has refused to do any Red Dwarf work again, but not Hattie.
Actually, someone on another forum brought up the point that as the show went on, Holly's role became less and less important, since Kryten could provide much of the plot himself. The only time we've actually had Lister, Rimmer, Cat, Kryten, Kochanski, Holly and the Skutters altogether was in the very short Children in Need sketch a decade or so ago, where they were all also in their best and brightest costumes. That would be the nicest way to do things, but it's nigh on impossible to do now. As long as they have given enough attention to Holly and Kochanski and explained their absences away well, then I will be satisfied.
Quote: zooo @ March 15 2009, 1:26 PM GMTExcept the first few series when Lister, Rimmer and Cat were all young and rather hot?
One lady does not the best looking Red Dwarf ever make.
Rimmer? Hot? Oh dear God, woman!
Quote: Badvoc @ March 17 2009, 10:54 PM GMTJeez, for the firt three series they couldn't even decide whether Rimmer was from Earth or Saturn, or what century Lister was born in.
Huh? Where Rimmer was from was never in doubt and by Series VII Doug Naylor still hadn't decided which century Lister was from.
Quote: Badvoc @ March 17 2009, 10:54 PM GMTAt least it was an attempt to break some new ground, unlike series 6 (although I admit to still watching it about 20 times) which recycled the same 'space corps directive/'Ronnie Real' 'the damage report machine's been damaged'/'scum-sucking' jokes every episode ad infinitum, and milked endless crap similes such as 'my nostrils are quivering like an opera singer's bosom on the high notes' variety to the point of redundancy.
The simile jokes were actually at their worst and most repetitive in Series VII.
Quote: Badvoc @ March 17 2009, 10:54 PM GMTI know that Hattie Hayridge didn't get on well with the rest of the cast
I don't think there's any truth in that at all.
Quote: Badvoc @ March 17 2009, 10:54 PM GMTI can't see what problem people have with series 7 or 8. OK, so there was a woman (as opposed to a female computer) in it. Well, I know this may surprise some of the more hardened sci-fi anoraks out there, but some of us like women!! I have one sat next to me right now (although admittedly she didn't care much for series 8 either).
The problem with the 'woman' was not that she had a vagina, rather they replaced the series best character, Rimmer, with a character who they forgot to write anything funny for. Rimmer is one of the all time classic sitcom monsters, Kochanski was just a bit nothing. Having said that, I didn't mind her being there, it didn't bother me; the lack of Rimmer did though.
Quote: Badvoc @ March 17 2009, 10:54 PM GMTAt least it was an attempt to break some new ground, unlike series 6 (although I admit to still watching it about 20 times) which recycled the same 'space corps directive/'Ronnie Real' 'the damage report machine's been damaged'/'scum-sucking' jokes every episode ad infinitum, and milked endless crap similes such as 'my nostrils are quivering like an opera singer's bosom on the high notes' variety to the point of redundancy.
I loved series six and all of those lines! 
Six is probably one of my favourites in the shows run.
Quote: Badvoc @ March 17 2009, 10:54 PM GMTI don't see the point of Sophie Winkleman's character at all, but I'm willing to give her a go (as a viewer, I mean, no innuendo intended).
Well we don't know what she's there for yet, do we? So none of us can know the 'point' yet!
I do agree that series 7 and 8 are not quite as bad as some would have you believe however; there's some good stuff in there.
Quote: Nick @ March 18 2009, 10:06 AM GMTHuh? Where Rimmer was from was never in doubt and by Series VII Doug Naylor still hadn't decided which century Lister was from.
The simile jokes were actually at their worst and most repetitive in Series VII.
I don't think there's any truth in that at all.
In the book, INFINITY WELCOMES CAREFUL DRIVERS, there are references to Rimmer being from Io, one of Saturn's moons - and that crops up repeatedly in the first four series with jokes about 'Saturn Tech' and 'Io House', but for a man from outer space he seems to have an incredible knowledge of Earth things, like the concept of 'sleazy backstreet Scouse drinking pits' which he presumably didn't get from Lister. He also talks about a school trip to Macedonia (a bit expensive if the school was on a moon of Saturn) where he finds out he had been Alexander The Great's chief eunuch in a previous life.
So, unless somehow it's possible for people to be the reincarnation of someone who didn't exist on the same planet as them, that would make him an Earthling. Also, in the first two series' he makes constant references to 'aliens' which confused me if he was meant to be one. And ultimately, why would he be bothered about getting back to Earth (admittedly, not as much as Lister is, but still bothered) if he wasn't originally from there?
So it sounds like Grant and Naylor had no more idea than me as to his origins. However, there is a theory that each episode is actually set in a different dinemsion to the last, which could put an unusual spin on things- but could also encourage some very lazy thinking. Also, it would render the EPIDEME/NANARCHY storyline irrelevant.
As for Hattie Hayridge, the story told at the time of her departure was that she didn't particularly get on well with someone else on, or several people on, the set: whether this is true I don't know but it was 'whispered on the wind' so to speak. No-one's ever confirmed it one way or the other but no actual explanation has been given.
I know that they said her absence in Series 6 was to do with the Dwarf itself being lost, but this is clearly bollocks as she was always present when they journeyed in Starbug in series 3, 4 and 5, and was easily downloadable into watches, portable screens or the display unit on Kryten's chest. So basically, someone was making excuses - there was a reason behind her departure in real life first, and they wrote the plot of series 6 around it.
Methinks that Badvoc is no Blag, but more the ultimate Red Dwarf geek.
Well I'm not going to argue with him!
At the risk of making this thread even nerdier...
Quote: Badvoc @ March 18 2009, 2:04 PM GMTIn the book, INFINITY WELCOMES CAREFUL DRIVERS, there are references to Rimmer being from Io, one of Saturn's moons - and that crops up repeatedly in the first four series with jokes about 'Saturn Tech' and 'Io House', but for a man from outer space he seems to have an incredible knowledge of Earth things, like the concept of 'sleazy backstreet Scouse drinking pits' which he presumably didn't get from Lister. He also talks about a school trip to Macedonia (a bit expensive if the school was on a moon of Saturn) where he finds out he had been Alexander The Great's chief eunuch in a previous life.
So, unless somehow it's possible for people to be the reincarnation of someone who didn't exist on the same planet as them, that would make him an Earthling. Also, in the first two series' he makes constant references to 'aliens' which confused me if he was meant to be one. And ultimately, why would he be bothered about getting back to Earth (admittedly, not as much as Lister is, but still bothered) if he wasn't originally from there?
He's from Io yeah - but he's not an alien - Io is an Earth colony. So he could easily be the reincarnation of Alexander The Great's chief eunuch just as much as you could be a reincarnation of someone from a different country (presuming of course that reincarnation isn't just a load of bollocks).
And as Earth is the motherworld (or whatever) it would be perfectly natural for Ionians to make references to Earth culture, cos it would be largely their culture. Just like British sitcoms make lazy and offensive references to Bulgarians being boring/ugly, would it be that big a stretch to presume that Liverpool pubs would be notorious enough to be referenced on other colonies?
Also, Rimmer was never that keen to get back to Earth (as he was convinced he would be switched off), but even if he was, it would the Earth's solar system that he would be keen to get back to, rather than the unpopulated wastes of deep space.
Quote: Badvoc @ March 18 2009, 2:04 PM GMTI know that they said her absence in Series 6 was to do with the Dwarf itself being lost, but this is clearly bollocks as she was always present when they journeyed in Starbug in series 3, 4 and 5, and was easily downloadable into watches, portable screens or the display unit on Kryten's chest. So basically, someone was making excuses - there was a reason behind her departure in real life first, and they wrote the plot of series 6 around it.
As has been previously stated, the absence of Holly in series 6-7 was due to Kryten making the character largely redundant. Plot-wise, it was explained in the last episode of series 7 when Holly was found on a planetoid/moon in disrepair.
Personally, I felt that it was a good decision to bring Holly back in series 8. With the return of Red Dwarf, Captain Hollister and the bunk scenes, the series had the potential to do a spin on old-school Red Dwarf - but I don't think it went far enough. I would have started each episode with a call back to series 1 and 2's 'Lister painting the ship/pull-out' title sequence, with the slow and moody version of the theme tune and - most importantly - Holly's opening monologue.
Quote: glaikit @ March 18 2009, 2:57 PM GMTAt the risk of making this thread even nerdier...
I think Glaikit and Badvoc should have a 'Nerd off! 
Quote: Balf @ March 17 2009, 11:02 PM GMTRimmer? Hot? Oh dear God, woman!
As I remember, this episode was where his secret hotness revealed itself.
Shouldn't expect any more from you though.