Quote: Aaron @ February 27 2009, 10:56 PM GMTBecause you're a fan of south America's Hitler?
I agree with Aaron which is a rarity.
Sir Fred Goodwin - Scapegoat, isn't he? Page 2
I'm with Timbo on this one.
The banks are to blame for their own loses because they speculated heavily in weak markets.
As for Fred Good Win having his pension written into his contract, that contract became worthless the minute the RBS accepted 500bn of taxpayers' money and he became in all but name a public sector employee.
Only in a shithole like Britain could this grasping mug and terrible banker be labelled a 'scapegoat'.
Quote: Morrace @ February 28 2009, 7:38 AM GMTBecause you obviously adore men in uniform (para-military or otherwise). One of the reasons you probably like Dad's Army.
"Is Jack Massey gay?"
"Don't tell him Pike!!"
*snigger*
Quote: Aaron @ February 28 2009, 1:12 PM GMT*snigger*
Snigger Lover
First it's my age, then it's my sexuality. Once and for all- I'M A 27 YEAR OLD STRAIGHT MAN.
Quote: Jack Massey @ March 1 2009, 2:16 PM GMTFirst it's my age, then it's my sexuality. Once and for all- I'M A 27 YEAR OLD STRAIGHT MAN.
with bestial necrophiliac tendencies
Quote: Godot Taxis @ February 28 2009, 1:03 PM GMTI'm with Timbo on this one.
The banks are to blame for their own loses because they speculated heavily in weak markets.
As for Fred Good Win having his pension written into his contract, that contract became worthless the minute the RBS accepted 500bn of taxpayers' money and he became in all but name a public sector employee.
Only in a shithole like Britain could this grasping mug and terrible banker be labelled a 'scapegoat'.
Everybody who participated in the greed culture has to bear a share of the blame. Anybody who bought property hoping to propel prices from merely extortionate levels to utterly insane, purely for personal profit at the expense of ordinary people who could no longer afford anywhere to live, is included in that. No wonder the banks were lending out more and more money. We were demanding it.
Goodwin isn't alone. A few years ago two venture capitalists bought a company called Marconi, well-run and capitalized, and managed to effectively bankrupt it within eighteen months. They both departed with multi-million pound payments and pension pots bigger than Mr Goodwin's. Hardly anybody said a word. It's being going on and on for years now, and people have only woken up to it now that their own futures are threatened.
Quote: Huge Bear @ March 1 2009, 2:47 PM GMTEverybody who participated in the greed culture has to bear a share of the blame. Anybody who bought property hoping to propel prices from merely extortionate levels to utterly insane, purely for personal profit at the expense of ordinary people who could no longer afford anywhere to live, is included in that. No wonder the banks were lending out more and more money. We were demanding it.
Goodwin isn't alone. A few years ago two venture capitalists bought a company called Marconi, well-run and capitalized, and managed to effectively bankrupt it within eighteen months. They both departed with multi-million pound payments and pension pots bigger than Mr Goodwin's. Hardly anybody said a word. It's being going on and on for years now, and people have only woken up to it now that their own futures are threatened.
Just to make it clear I've been critical of capitalism as an democratic and economic model for 30 years. And the question was about Good Win.
Jack, are you really asking us to feel sorry for Sir Fred Goodwin? The man's lucky to have got a pension. He should have been sacked and his pension voided. Only in banking could such gross failure be rewarded with massive rewards.
This is pretty scary stuff now. The idea of taking away someone's pension - even a portion of it - because ONE job towards the end of their career went somewhat sour, shall we say, is abhorrent.
And that vile little bitch Harriet Harman claiming that the pension would stand up "in a court of law, but not in the court of public opinion" sums up the whole past f**king 12 years of Labour Governments; circumvent the law to please (perceived) common consensus of the day, for no other reason than shameless approval ratings.
Absolutely disgusting.
Quote: Aaron @ March 2 2009, 11:23 AM GMTThis is pretty scary stuff now. The idea of taking away someone's pension - even a portion of it - because ONE job towards the end of their career went somewhat sour, shall we say, is abhorrent.
Social Workers often lose their jobs over one bad case. See Baby P Withchunt for further details.
Quote: Aaron @ March 2 2009, 11:23 AM GMTAnd that vile little bitch Harriet Harman claiming that the pension would stand up "in a court of law, but not in the court of public opinion" sums up the whole past f**king 12 years of Labour Governments; circumvent the law to please (perceived) common consensus of the day, for no other reason than shameless approval ratings.
Yes, because approval rating equals votes in a democracy. Simple as that. And if you think your Tories are any different you're living in cloud cuckoo land.
Maybe they're not. I have made no allusion either way; they're not in Government, so I'm not commenting on them.
And a job does not equal a pension.
Quote: Aaron @ March 2 2009, 1:18 PM GMTMaybe they're not. I have made no allusion either way; they're not in Government, so I'm not commenting on them.
Which doesn't deal with my point that as they are dependant on votes to win or stay in power then they will of course play to the court of public opinion. There's nothing seedy or shameful or disgraceful about that - merely cold, hard survival instinct.
Which is still all largely besides the point. I wouldn't agree with it whoever did it. I don't object because it's Labour; I object because it's wrong.
Quote: Aaron @ March 2 2009, 2:09 PM GMTI object because it's wrong.
It's neither wrong nor right. It's just the way it is. If you want to stop politicians trying to curry favour with the public stop the public from voting.