British Comedy Guide

Laughing and crying

"Comedy is tragedy plus time" they say. The two are intrinsically linked.
But too often, for my taste at least, I find the tragedy element is overplayed in comedy. Take, for instance, Scrubs, a show which is for the most part zany and knockabout, but insists on having a 'sad bit', which isn't at all funny. It's as if they felt obliged to add in some mawk.

I can see that there might be a benefit from using the heart-tugging just to contrast the side-shaking, but I feel the sad-bits detract from the comedy, rather than enhance it. Extremely sad things would happen in Fawlty Towers, but they were always hilarious.

More recently, we have Free Agents, a commendable show, but I don't 'get' the point of all the tragedy. She has endless images of her dead partner everywhere; it's not funny. He breaks down and cries routinely, and it's a great portrayal of a sad and desperate character. Maybe it's for an audience who enjoys a gratuitous display of loneliness?

So is there something else I'm missing, some extra reason to have unfunny sad bits?

Quote: NoggetFred @ February 27 2009, 6:30 AM GMT

"Comedy is tragedy plus time" they say. The two are intrinsically linked.
But too often, for my taste at least, I find the tragedy element is overplayed in comedy. Take, for instance, Scrubs, a show which is for the most part zany and knockabout, but insists on having a 'sad bit', which isn't at all funny. It's as if they felt obliged to add in some mawk.

I can see that there might be a benefit from using the heart-tugging just to contrast the side-shaking, but I feel the sad-bits detract from the comedy, rather than enhance it. Extremely sad things would happen in Fawlty Towers, but they were always hilarious.

More recently, we have Free Agents, a commendable show, but I don't 'get' the point of all the tragedy. She has endless images of her dead partner everywhere; it's not funny. He breaks down and cries routinely, and it's a great portrayal of a sad and desperate character. Maybe it's for an audience who enjoys a gratuitous display of loneliness?

So is there something else I'm missing, some extra reason to have unfunny sad bits?

Audiences like to be taken on an emotional rollercoaster. A comedy should never end on a sad bit, but I find pathos, when done well, adds to a comedy. For instance I was watching The Royle Family's Queen Of Sheba again last night which is heartbreaking, but ends on a high note.

What I don't like are comedies that relentlessly explore the darkness of the human soul and then refuse to give us succour, like Nighty Night for instance.

Quote: NoggetFred @ February 27 2009, 6:30 AM GMT

"More recently, we have Free Agents, a commendable show, but I don't 'get' the point of all the tragedy. She has endless images of her dead partner everywhere; it's not funny. He breaks down and cries routinely, and it's a great portrayal of a sad and desperate character. Maybe it's for an audience who enjoys a gratuitous display of loneliness?

But none of that is played as sad; it's supposed to make you laugh, not to make you sad. I find both bits, him crying and all her cheesy pictures of her dead hubby, to be funny. Neither of those bits are trying to tug at your heartstrings.

Quote: Lee Henman @ February 27 2009, 2:34 PM GMT

Nighty Night for instance.

You really hate that show don't you! I think I've seen you mention it about a billion times now! :D

I originally read the title as 'Wanking and crying' :(

Quote: Matthew Stott @ February 27 2009, 2:42 PM GMT

But none of that is played as sad; it's supposed to make you laugh, not to make you sad. I find both bits, him crying and all her cheesy pictures of her dead hubby, to be funny. Neither of those bits are trying to tug at your heartstrings.

You really hate that show don't you! I think I've seen you mention it about a billion times now! :D

It's everything I don't like about modern comedy

Quote: Matthew Stott @ February 27 2009, 2:42 PM GMT

I find both bits, him crying and all her cheesy pictures of her dead hubby, to be funny.

I really am missing something then, I had no idea it was even *meant* to be funny.

Quote: NoggetFred @ February 27 2009, 3:03 PM GMT

I really am missing something then, I had no idea it was even *meant* to be funny.

But those pictures are so obviously over the top and cheesy!

Quote: Lee Henman @ February 27 2009, 2:34 PM GMT

like Nighty Night for instance.

I just remembered calling you out on your dislike of Nighty Night at that Hat Trick meeting and the whole room looking at you going, "What do you mean, you don't like Nighty Night?"

To be fair, Scrubs is set in a hospital, where there are lot's of people dying, etc. I know Green Wing managed to do without sad bits, then again, that was never as good as Scrubs.

Quote: catskillz @ February 27 2009, 3:08 PM GMT

To be fair, Scrubs is set in a hospital, where there are lot's of people dying, etc. I know Green Wing managed to do without sad bits, but that was never as good as Scrubs anyway.

No, it was better!

Quote: David Bussell @ February 27 2009, 3:07 PM GMT

I just remembered calling you out on your dislike of Nighty Night at that Hat Trick meeting and the whole room looking at you going, "What do you mean, you don't like Nighty Night?"

You bitch.

I don't like comedy drama, or comedies which insert unsuitable tragic/dramatic material, it just doesn't work for me. At best it doesn't get a laugh, at worst it's painfully out of place. When Mandy's boyfriend died in the last episode of Game On I remember it just brought it to a shuddering halt. The sitcoms I revere, mainly from the 70s, never did stuff like that.

What about Maude Flanders getting killed by a T-Shirt cannon in The Simpsons? Or Frank Grimes electrocuting himself? Or the end of Love Story?

I like tragedy with my comedy. That's life. Well, that's my life at least...

A course I was on once recommended injecting humour into the darkest of scripts so I guess it should work the other way round too. It's all about balance. Something that is just relentlessly funny could get a bit boring and not allow us to see other sides to the characters. Life isn't just funny or sad. Sometimes the way that characters deal with tragic situations provides the humour.

Quote: David Bussell @ February 27 2009, 3:07 PM GMT

I just remembered calling you out on your dislike of Nighty Night at that Hat Trick meeting and the whole room looking at you going, "What do you mean, you don't like Nighty Night?"

Did that happen Dave? Or did everyone laugh and turn and point at YOU? Hmmm?

Okay, that didn't happen. But I was the maverick in that room. I stood alone in that palace of polished glass and gay people and proclaimed "I don't like Nighty Night!" YES it cost us the commission. YES it blew our entire comedy careers. But God damn it all, we (I) left with our (my) integrity.

I think.
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