Quote: Dolly Dagger @ February 15 2009, 5:51 PM GMTMaybe I'm a bit bigoted in my own way, as (so far) I won't travel to any countries that hold strict views on women having to dress very modestly.
I took my daughter to London 4 or 5 years ago and some scumbag grabbed her ass as we walked down Edgware Road. I had to restrain myself from creating an international incident.
Quote: DaButt @ February 15 2009, 5:56 PM GMTI took my daughter to London 4 or 5 years ago and some scumbag grabbed her ass as we walked down Edgware Road. I had to restrain myself from creating an international incident.
Ah, yes that does sound familiar. Italy's like that too.
Quote: Dolly Dagger @ February 15 2009, 5:58 PM GMTAh, yes that does sound familiar. Italy's like that too.
Try it on the streets of this country and you'll find yourself with a face full of mace, taser, fist or possibly pistol. Then some nice officers will haul your ass down to the county jail.
Quote: Dolly Dagger @ February 15 2009, 5:51 PM GMTMaybe I'm a bit bigoted in my own way, as (so far) I won't travel to any countries that hold strict views on women having to dress very modestly.
In what way is that bigoted?
Quote: Aaron @ February 15 2009, 6:40 PM GMTIn what way is that bigoted?
Not sure. Because I feel that my beliefs on freedom of dress are soley correct and I think theirs have no credence?
A bigot is intolerant of lifestyles or opinions different to their own. So if you wouldn't tolerate a person's freedom to wear the hijab you would be a bigot. Disagreeing with an enforced dress code does not really make you a bigot, rather a defender of liberal principles.
I guess the argument I'm open to is that this is merely in the context of a western liberal democracy, it may very well be taken as bigotry elsewhere. *shrugs*
Quote: Dolly Dagger @ February 15 2009, 6:53 PM GMTNot sure. Because I feel that my beliefs on freedom of dress are soley correct and I think theirs have no credence?
I suppose so then, if that's the way you look at it.
Quote: Dolly Dagger @ February 15 2009, 5:08 PM GMTFundamentalists in any religion are tossers.
My quote for the day.
Hmm alot of fundmanetalist Christians; stop having sex, wear ugly clothes and spend all their time helping people. Fundmanetalist Jews tend to grow beards wear black and say oi a lot. Niether groups stone women to death, execute Christian missionaries or carry out violent violent terrorist acts.
I am tired of this dreary liberal we're all as bad as each other guff. You'd have to try very hard to pick a fight with a Zorastran or a Buddhist.
Most Muslims are not intolerant bigots or cruel. But the sects that feel that way should be opposed.
Quote: sootyj @ February 15 2009, 7:21 PM GMTHmm alot of fundmanetalist Christians; stop having sex, wear ugly clothes and spend all their time helping people. Fundmanetalist Jews tend to grow beards wear black and say oi a lot. Niether groups stone women to death, execute Christian missionaries or carry out violent violent terrorist acts.
But they can also be very hateful about groups whose activites they condemn, such as the gay community.
Quote: Dolly Dagger @ February 15 2009, 7:43 PM GMTBut they can also be very hateful about groups whose activites they condemn, such as the gay community.
Exactly.
Quote: DaButt @ February 15 2009, 6:07 PM GMTpossibly pistol.
A possible over reaction . . ?!
Quote: Dolly Dagger @ February 15 2009, 7:43 PM GMTBut they can also be very hateful about groups whose activites they condemn, such as the gay community.
Some of them can be as can many people with no faith what so ever. Also there's a big diference between disliking gay people and killing them.
For what's it waht worth I know gay ultra Jews and catholics, there may be issues about them not being acknowledged or supported by their community. They are absolutely not in fear for their lives.
Reflexive liberal guilt can be quite dangerous.
Quote: sootyj @ February 15 2009, 7:47 PM GMTAlso there's a big diference between disliking gay people and killing them.
Obviously, but neither is Ok in my view.
Quote: sootyj @ February 15 2009, 7:47 PM GMTReflexive liberal guilt can be quite dangerous.
Disliking homophobes is not 'liberal guilt'.
You missed what I meant. What I meant was comparing all religious fundamentalists and saying they're all the same. Is an example of "liberal reflexive guilt"
that saying societies which kill gay people are the same as one's which dislike them. Of course neither's acceptable but one's a little worse than the other.
And on a deeper level how many Christian or Jewish countries actively legislate against minorities of any description?
Quote: sootyj @ February 15 2009, 7:53 PM GMTAnd on a deeper level how many Christian or Jewish countries actively legislate against minorities of any description?
Those countries currently have enough agnostic and atheist voters to keep them from making real decisions at a federal level.
That's just my opinion 
Quote: sootyj @ February 15 2009, 7:53 PM GMTAnd on a deeper level how many Christian or Jewish countries actively legislate against minorities of any description?
In the not so distant past they all did. What about Northern Ireland?
