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Quote: sootyj @ January 28 2009, 1:36 PM GMT

Not GUNS or KNIVES, if you are going to misrepresent what I say why not be a bit more colourful. Why not suggest atomic bombs, rocket launchers and dragons. Guns and knives in the hands of untrained and unpredictable people is a terrible thing.

But I rather like the idea my sister could buy a pepper spray or lowish powered tazer. Albeit she'd probably use it on me.

Oh and repeat the point I made before. English people who don't buy guns buy big dogs which are almost as dangerous and way more unpredictable.

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You sound annoyed. Have I riled thee? You seem to have got all uppity for no real reason. And idiots do buy dangerous dogs, but I imagine the percentage of fatal attacks by dogs in the UK is significantly lower than the percentage of fatal shootings in the US. Plus running into a bank with a viloent dog and attempting to rob it, setting the dog on anyone who tries to be a hero, is never going to be an easy option.

Quote: DaButt @ January 28 2009, 1:40 PM GMT

Guns are designed to fire bullets. The person controlling the gun is the one who might have designs on killing someone.

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WTF?! What, on God's green earth, do you think the bullets are there for? To-kill. Guns exist for one reason alone. To-kill. Guns are designed to fire bullets which then kill things. Or blow something's fingers off. Of course someone has to be there to pull the trigger, but if they attempt the same thing WITHOUT a gun, it's just some idiot poiting their finger at you and going BANG. The other person will therefore probably live. Unless they have a very weak heart, of course.

I think I'm going to leave it there, because this could just go on and on and on and on and on; but a lot of what I've read here truly astonishes me. Ah well, live and let live. Or pick up a gun and blow the shit out of everything! Yee-ha!

No just you didn't bother reading what I said, poor paying of attention may explain why one would like the colorful world of JNT's Dr Who era. Shame you can't buy a gun to shoot me, maybe a dog?

Oh and bank robbers may not buy dogs, but muggers, drug dealers, loan sharks etc do.

Quote: Aaron @ January 28 2009, 12:54 PM GMT

All that shows is that a bunch of old guys (appointed by Bush?)

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Supreme Court justices remain in position until they die or retire. The current members date back as far as the Ford administration in the seventies. George Bush appointed 2 of them.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5048800.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/7047870.stm

Quote: sootyj @ January 28 2009, 1:46 PM GMT

No just you didn't bother reading what I said, poor paying of attention may explain why one would like the colorful world of JNT's Dr Who era. Shame you can't buy a gun to shoot me, maybe a dog?

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I read what you said. Rather than a gun or a dog, I'm going to strap knives to a leopard and have it run at you untill you stop moving, okay? Maybe get over the Dr Who thing now!!

You really do annoy me at times Sooty, so I think in future I shall duck out whenever you wade into an argument, for the sake of my own mental health!!

Quote: Matthew Stott @ January 28 2009, 1:46 PM GMT

WTF?! What, on God's green earth, do you think the bullets are there for? To-kill. Guns exist for one reason alone. To-kill. Guns are designed to fire bullets which then kill things. Or blow something's fingers off. Of course someone has to be there to pull the trigger, but if they attempt the same thing WITHOUT a gun, it's just some idiot poiting their finger at you and going BANG. The other person will therefore probably live. Unless they have a very weak heart, of course.

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Or intimidate people into stopping what they're doing. I knew a couple of guys in one of the armed police units in the UK and one from Israel. Both retired without firing their guns off the firing ranges ever. The reason Demenezes is so shocking, is it's so unbelievablely rare.

Quote: sootyj @ January 28 2009, 1:36 PM GMT

But I rather like the idea my sister could buy a pepper spray or lowish powered tazer.

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You can easily buy sprays and tasers here in the States. Many people who can't/won't carry a gun keep spray or a taser in their purses. Most of the women I know do, in fact.

Quote: sootyj @ January 28 2009, 1:51 PM GMT

Or intimidate people into stopping what they're doing. I knew a couple of guys in one of the armed police units in the UK and one from Israel. Both retired without firing their guns off the firing ranges ever. The reason Demenezes is so shocking, is it's so unbelievablely rare.

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Okay, dip my toe one last time, I, that is ME, am talking about the general public having guns, not the police. Maybe you should read MY posts more carefully in future? See, I turned your own statement round on you! I rule!

Quote: Matthew Stott @ January 28 2009, 1:50 PM GMT

I read what you said. Rather than a gun or a dog, I'm going to strap knives to a leopard and have it run at you untill you stop moving, okay? Maybe get over the Dr Who thing now!!

You really do annoy me at times Sooty, so I think in future I shall duck out whenever you wade into an argument, for the sake of my own mental health!!

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I'm afraid liking JNT may make you unlikely to pass the strenuos mental health tests the RSPCA would make you take to own a leopard.

How ever I may buy a lion, they're pretty cheap and you can get a firearms licence just incase it goes berzerk. Including a handguns licence.

I'm gonna have a lion and a desert eagle mofo.

Quote: Matthew Stott @ January 28 2009, 1:54 PM GMT

Okay, dip my toe one last time, I, that is ME, am talking about the general public having guns, not the police. Maybe you should read my posts more carefully in future?

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I was merely pointing out that trained gun owners don't go nuts. Thanks for pointin out my point wasn't clear. I know about a dozen Israeli's who draw uzis, carbines of combat pistols if defending schools as volunteers or collecting payrolls or accompanying school trips. And yes none of them have shot anyone ever outside of military service.
Except one guy shot a pig but it was both wild, wild and very tasty after we bbq his bacon flavoured ass.
You can trust us Stott, your fellow law abiding citizens.

Quote: Matthew Stott @ January 28 2009, 1:46 PM GMT

What, on God's green earth, do you think the bullets are there for? To-kill. Guns exist for one reason alone. To-kill.

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Absolutely incorrect. I have fired thousands of rounds and never once felt the desire to kill anything. I shoot at paper targets. Some people shoot skeet. I'm sure only a fraction of a percent of people who ever fire guns will kill a person. The odds of a gun being used to kill someone are absolutely minuscule, because most people aren't murderous thugs and have no desire to kill anyone.

Quote: Graham Bandage @ January 28 2009, 1:20 PM GMT

I'm no expert on the US constitution, but I seem to remember Alistair Cooke saying that the right to bear arms is tied into the existence of a militia among the people so that we Brits wouldn't try invading again. The existence of official armed forces seems to invalidate this right.

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What about the right to arm bears?

Isn't the lower murder rate in Canada that it's so sparsely populated it's hard to find anyone to kill.

Quote: DaButt @ January 28 2009, 2:00 PM GMT

Absolutely incorrect.

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Yes, you are.

Quote: sootyj @ January 28 2009, 2:02 PM GMT

Isn't the lower murder rate in Canada that it's so sparsely populated it's hard to find anyone to kill.

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No, it's because Canadians just don't inspire that much passion.

N.B. this'll piss some off, but I feel way safer going club in Jerusalem where all the off duty soldiers have assault rifles with ammo(albeit unloaded), then in the UK.