Quote: Danny K @ January 28 2009, 12:50 PM GMTIn a similar vein, what would happen if the US Supreme Court restricted gun ownership I wonder?
The hillbillies wood assume that The New World Order had finally taken over and sit cradling their rifle, surrounded by a stockpile of grenades and tinned meat.
Quote: Danny K @ January 28 2009, 12:50 PM GMTIn 1998 UK legislation came into force reducing the number of pain-killer tablets that could be sold in each packet in an effort to combat deaths from suicide by overdoses. Since then hospitals have reported up to a 50% decline in suicides by this method AFTER the legislation was introduced, and in a report by Birmingham University hospital, it concluded:
"Legislation restricting paracetamol pack-size reduced the incidence and severity of poisoning."
Surely that just proves how stupid people who kill themselves with paracetomols are. Just a packet a week, you'll soon have enough to do yourself in.
Quote: DaButt @ January 28 2009, 12:25 PM GMTThe Supreme Court just upheld the law in 2008. It is still relevant today.
How does that prove its relevance? All that shows is that a bunch of old guys (appointed by Bush?) took the monumental decision that it should remain a "right".
Quote: Matthew Stott @ January 28 2009, 12:52 PM GMTThe hillbillies wood assume that The New World Order had finally taken over and sit cradling their rifle, surrounded by a stockpile of grenades and tinned meat.
And how would that differ from what they do now?
Quote: chipolata @ January 28 2009, 12:54 PM GMTAnd how would that differ from what they do now?
They would mobilise and head en-masse towards Washington, murder in their hairy eyes.
Quote: chipolata @ January 28 2009, 12:53 PM GMTSurely that just proves how stupid people who kill themselves . . .
The comment is complete at that point.
Quote: Lee Henman @ January 28 2009, 11:50 AM GMTAgain - I find that incredible. What if it was some impressionable 15 year old kid on a dare? What if it was a mentally-ill person looking for shelter? Or a desperate homeless person who thought your property was empty and was looking for a bed for the night? Do they deserve to die for making a mistake?
When I was a kid for a dare I broke into my neighbour's sidehouse and stole some rhubard he was growing in there. Presumably in the US he'd have had the right to put a bullet in my head? It's crazy.
In a society where burglars are shot or sent to prison or insome other significant way "punished" then there's less burglaries. People don't break into other peoples properties for a "dare."
Where as in the UK the statistical chances of a career burglar (and this inlcudes raving crack addicted loons) is statistically similar to being killed by a falling sattelite. One of the things that made me give up homelesness work, was how many worthless sacks of shite I worked with who serially burgled homes, mugged people or intimidated money from others. Who were never ever punished and if they were it was a short joke sentence.
I'd love to read about some of these guys being shot by the police, house holders, bored fox hunters any one. F**k I wouldn't care if they brought in death squads.
Oh and when people can't buy guns they buy dogs, big dogs that they can't handle or knives. Guns don't go bananas and bite you in the testicles cos they had to short a walk or some one rubbed their nose in their own shit.
Responsible weapon membership is no bad thing, but why does it have to be guns?
Sooty, what? You're sounding sort of pro-gun there; you astonish me. Well, maybe not properly pro, but enough to make me worry about you.
Any sort of weapon ownership is a bad thing.
Not really progun as in free ownsership to all.
I'm sort of pro.
1 None lethal well tested weapons for responsible citizens who need to obtain licenses.
2 Pro arming the police and gun ownership for highly citizens who are throughly tested.
3 Against an attitude that all violence should be carried out only by the police or army.
Imagine if first aid was banned because we're not all paramedics and only a uniformed government can provide medical aid.
I'm no expert on the US constitution, but I seem to remember Alistair Cooke saying that the right to bear arms is tied into the existence of a militia among the people so that we Brits wouldn't try invading again. The existence of official armed forces seems to invalidate this right.
Yes but if they disband the militias, with their army all over the place.
I for one will be there with a plank of wood with a nail through it lickety split.
When I worked with volunteers with Europe, alot of the girls who were used to carrying CS gas sprays were shocked that the UK attitude towards self defence. Was fight them off unarmed or hope the police come running.
Quote: Graham Bandage @ January 28 2009, 1:20 PM GMTI'm no expert on the US constitution, but I seem to remember Alistair Cooke saying that the right to bear arms is tied into the existence of a militia among the people so that we Brits wouldn't try invading again.
That's exactly what's wrong with gun laws. The constitution was framed in a very different world.
Quote: chipolata @ January 28 2009, 1:25 PM GMTThat's exactly what's wrong with gun laws. The constitution was framed in a very different world.
Yup.
Quote: sootyj @ January 28 2009, 1:24 PM GMTWhen I worked with volunteers with Europe, alot of the girls who were used to carrying CS gas sprays were shocked that the UK attitude towards self defence. Was fight them off unarmed or hope the police come running.
So what? We should all walk around with guns/knives/other concealed weapons? I can see the point in having some sort of defensive spray, something that would irritate an attackers eyes and allow you to leg it. But then again, that would just be adopted for use by the muggers themselves.
Not GUNS or KNIVES, if you are going to misrepresent what I say why not be a bit more colourful. Why not suggest atomic bombs, rocket launchers and dragons. Guns and knives in the hands of untrained and unpredictable people is a terrible thing.
But I rather like the idea my sister could buy a pepper spray or lowish powered tazer. Albeit she'd probably use it on me.
Oh and repeat the point I made before. English people who don't buy guns buy big dogs which are almost as dangerous and way more unpredictable.
Quote: Matthew Stott @ January 28 2009, 12:31 PM GMTOf course guns are a bad thing. They are deisigned to kill.
Guns are designed to fire bullets. The person controlling the gun is the one who might have designs on killing someone.