Hello, I'm new here, and have a question.
In sitcoms, we're all familiar with use of the 'subplot'. In what ways do writers utilise this device? I'm particularly interested in how sometimes the subplot is kept completely separate from the main plot, and how at other times it is made to tie into it. What are the advantages of either strategy?
Quote: NoggetFred @ January 25 2009, 8:39 AM GMTHello, I'm new here, and have a question.
In sitcoms, we're all familiar with use of the 'subplot'. In what ways do writers utilise this device? I'm particularly interested in how sometimes the subplot is kept completely separate from the main plot, and how at other times it is made to tie into it. What are the advantages of either strategy?
I don't understand this question.
OK I think I do now. The advantages are that it provides the characters with a break from the norm thus allowing the viewers to warm to the idea of possible a spin-off*.
*Friends springs to mind but Joey stank to high heaven.
Right, write.
Quote: Griff @ January 25 2009, 12:29 PM GMTSubplots have nothing to do with "a break from the norm" or spinoffs.
They are just a second storyline in your sitcom episode.
I think either approach (connected or disconnected to the main plot) can work. I normally have the plots connected in some tangential way so that an event in the main plot also has repercussions in the secondary plot, but I realise this can come across as too tidy/coincidental/farce-like if you don't get it right (which I probably don't).
Whoa there! I'm not dictating that that's the sole advantage of sub-plots at all. I'm just saying that sometimes when certain characters are given story-lines away from the usual group it's interesting to see how they stand-up, away from the normal dynamics. Now take Will & Grace for example: Karen and Jack were far more interesting and amusing when they were away from Will and imo, amplified how unfunny W&G were.
Your (tidy) approach is a given.
Hi Fred
For me, having a definite subplot (or "B Story") is advantageous because it holds the viewer's interest. As you say, you can have a B Story which is completely separate from the A story and comes to its own resolution, or you can have both A and B stories tie in with one another at the end, which is what I favour because it makes me look more cleverer like.
New writers tend to forget the importance of variety, and write stories that travel in a straight line from start to finish.
The other thing to remember is that it's usually best to have established the the main story and the subplot by the first few pages. This (hopefully) hooks the viewer into the story early on and theoretically should keep them watching.
That's my take on it anyway. Other people have different approaches.
Also I suspect that a few seasons along, writers start to realise the potential in peripheral characters.
Cheers, all. 
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I think that Lead Balloon is a great example of the plot, subplot and sub-subplot style.
There are always a several strands (sometimes as many a 4) running through each episode and IMO that's what keeps it very fresh and watchable.
Thanks for the replies
Quote: Lee Henman @ January 25 2009, 12:36 PM GMTThe other thing to remember is that it's usually best to have established the the main story and the subplot by the first few pages.
Yes Lee, I've been looking into this sort of thing, and it can be quite dizzying how quickly events are made to happen, to fit into the time slot.
I'm interested in the structural patterns of sitcoms, hence my question about subplots. While I've enjoyed comedy my whole life, I've only just got interested in how they're written, so it's nice to be able to watch something like Frasier, and marvel at the way it's all put together.
I don't know any of you yet; what sort of things are you writing?
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Quote: Blenkinsop @ January 25 2009, 2:03 PM GMTI think that Lead Balloon is a great example of the plot, subplot and sub-subplot style.
Really? That wouldn't be the first show to spring to mind for me really. To me I would say look at shows like Seinfeld, or Friends; plots and sub-plots aplenty.
I am writing a scene by scene at the moment, and it is useful to have subplots as you can cut away out of a really long scene to make it punchier and shorter. Move time on and etc.
I like to use the word contrapuntal when talking about subplots also.
Quote: NoggetFred @ January 25 2009, 2:03 PM GMTI don't know any of you yet; what sort of things are you writing?
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Fred
Hello Fred
I've co-written two sci-fi sitcom scripts and am currently working solo on two new sitcoms. One is office based and the other touching on the paranormal. Both are in the planning stage and I am currently working on characters and plot before I actually begin writing the scripts.
What are you currently writing or planning?
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Quote: Marc P @ January 25 2009, 2:08 PM GMTI am writing a scene by scene at the moment, and it is useful to have subplots as you can cut away out of a really long scene to make it punchier and shorter. Move time on and etc.
You give very good advice and useful tips. And stuff. Therefore I have appointed you as my on-line surrogate mentor (whether you like it or not). This role invloves yours truly stalking you occasionally to pick your brains on all things writing. You shall respond with insightful hints and if I make it I shall dedicate my first £1000 to the charity of your choice.
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Quote: Griff @ January 25 2009, 2:37 PM GMTOnly Fugues And Horses?
And you say I make bad puns!
Quote: oldcowgrazing @ January 25 2009, 2:37 PM GMTYou give very good advice and useful tips. And stuff. Therefore I have appointed you as my on-line surrogate mentor (whether you like it or not). This role invloves yours truly stalking you occasionally to pick your brains on all things writing. You shall respond with insightful hints and if I make it I shall dedicate my first £1000 to the charity of your choice.
As you were.
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Quote: Matthew Stott @ January 25 2009, 2:05 PM GMTReally?
Yes, really.
I'm not suggesting that it's the only one or indeed the definitive example but it does IMO undoubtedly have plots and subplots aplenty.
Do you not agree?