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I have not commented in this thread, partly out of a sense of humility that there are people who are more f**ked up than I am. I am impressed. Really.

I have been prone to minor depression all my life, and it has not helped my writing one bit. In fact it has killed my creativity stone dead, for years at a time.

Depression, and the related but different condition of stress, are complex subjects. Depression can take different forms: from quiet desperation to wild mood swings; it can have obvious triggers or be inexplicable; and like most mental health issues it exists on a continuum, from the "not-quite-normal" to the barking. Human beings cultural evolution has outstripped our physiological adaptation and it is not entirely surprising that just about everyone finds it difficult to cope at times, or that they respond in different ways.

Our brain configuration and chemistry determine how we respond to life, but a the same time our experience of life shapes our brain chemistry and configuration. There is a feedback loop, which is why it is important to seek treatment - so that a response to trauma does not become a personality trait. There is no virtue in just soldering on.

My GP tells me he is always happy when someone comes to him complaining of depression, because it is one of the few conditions he can actually do something about. The drugs are not just placebos - they can work, if you get the right medication and the right dose. After a couple of months on Prozac I was sceptical about the benefits, then the doc doubled the dose. And it was a case of, "wow! is this how normal people feel all of the time?"

I have a member staff who is going through a difficult and protracted marital break-up; she has not been sleeping, and has been very emotional and erratic. She had tried anti-depressants but had not got on with them. I persuaded her to go back to her GP and try again. She is now as happy as Larry - and able to deal with her c**t of a husband and sort her life out.

I'm usually pretty happy. Depressing isn't it.

Timbo - very interesting post. I know people who haven't had much success with anti-depressants, so I was interested to see your experience was different.

I can understand their use for those suffering from clinical depression, when there is no real cause to be depressed per se, or for ongoing depression following stressful/traumatic life events. But I'm not so convinced about their use when the depression has a cause and someone is going through a very bad time. I don't know loads about the subject, but it seems to me that as feeling depressed is 'justified' during a terrible time, it seems wrong to try and 'correct' this with medication? It reminds me of someone I knew who just after a bereavement took a few more e's that weekend to compensate. I don't know....

It's a very tricky subject. I've stayed away from medication personally (though have recommended it to others). I've tried a talking therapy but that didn't work as I felt the therapist and I weren't a good match. Luckily I'm much better off sorting my own head out.

Quote: Dolly Dagger @ December 6 2008, 2:33 PM GMT

I can understand their use for those suffering from clinical depression, when there is no real cause to be depressed per se, or for ongoing depression following stressful/traumatic life events. But I'm not so convinced about their use when the depression has a cause and someone is going through a very bad time. I don't know loads about the subject, but it seems to me that as feeling depressed is 'justified' during a terrible time, it seems wrong to try and 'correct' this with medication? It reminds me of someone I knew who just after a bereavement took a few more e's that weekend to compensate. I don't know....

It is tricky, you should not rely on pills to numb the pain; but there comes a point where you have been trying to climb out of a hole, and you just keep slipping back further. Then then there is no shame in getting a helping hand.

Overdoing the e's is more likely to cause depression than to cure it. Ecstasy does not cause the brain to produce more feelgood chemicals, it just causes the brain to release its store of chemicals in one rush; it is a bit like blowing all you salary on payday and then having to scrape by for the rest of the month. This artificially induced depression can have long term effects - depression is a feedback loop, the more depressed you become the less feelgood chemicals the brain produces, causing you to become more depressed, so the brain produces less chemicals...and so on.

Prozac and other SSRIs (selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors) work by inhibiting the reuptake of chemicals once they are released into the brain, so the chemicals remain active longer.

That is my understanding anyway.

Quote: Huge Bear @ December 6 2008, 8:51 AM GMT

F**k, you've got me going now Walker. There's another thing I like about this place - genuine people, genuine characters. Here's a few of the females: Ellie, Laura (zooo), Ruby Snowdrop, Robyn (scatters), JuliaC and Finck - six of the best, every one different, every one interesting. Just nice people as well.

So you get some dross and undesirables floating through too...

If people were able to write funny lines, that would be something. Truth is, most can't. Don't you guys realise how unfunny your writing actually is? Because, frankly, it's shit.

Quote: Tim Walker @ December 6 2008, 11:45 PM GMT

If people were able to write funny lines, that would be something. Truth is, most can't.

If only genuinly amusing lines were allowed to be posted, this whole forum would consist of about seven posts. And five of them would be 'Simpsons' quotes.

Quote: Matthew Stott @ December 6 2008, 11:51 PM GMT

If only genuinly amusing lines were allowed to be posted, this whole forum would consist of about seven posts. And five of them would be 'Simpsons' quotes.

Less internet wasted.

Quote: Tim Walker @ December 6 2008, 11:45 PM GMT

If people were able to write funny lines, that would be something. Truth is, most can't. Don't you guys realise how unfunny your writing actually is? Because, frankly, it's shit.

Tim you're just being insulting.

Humor is in the eye of the beholder and one of the things that brings me back to this forum is the good quality of humorous banter.

Guess that makes me an idiot, but an idiot who's true to his own tastes.

Griff I don't think Tim was picking at anything in critique.

As all the posters he's criticising don't post in critique, I think he's accusing us of been unfunny posters.

Which raises the question who's more perverse the man who pisses in the street, or the one who watches him?

I aim to perfect a range of jokes found funny by Russian billionaires and become Abramovich's court jester.

Quote: Lee Henman @ December 3 2008, 10:52 AM GMT

Quick straw poll - who is suffering or has suffered with depression?

Errr

I've been on Prozac. Didn't help me, so I stopped taking them. I gave up going to the doctors for anymore help. My GP is useless. Although she did once refer me to have some Cognitive Behavior Therapy. I never went though.

I kept hearing how exercise always helps with depression, so I gave that a go. It seems to be doing me some good. I've even joined a gym - something I swore I'd never do. :S

I don't like talking about the subject all that much. It's very hard trying to describe depression to someone who has never been through it. So I just keep shtoom. Wave

I suffer from it and sometimes my eyes pop out.

Well that was an interesting thread.

It appears there are indeed a lot of depressives out there - whether or not there are more in the creative fraternity is, I suppose, still an open question.

Thanks for your candour though.

Quote: Eat My Shirts @ December 7 2008, 3:15 AM GMT

Errr

I've been on Prozac. Didn't help me, so I stopped taking them. I gave up going to the doctors for anymore help. My GP is useless. Although she did once refer me to have some Cognitive Behavior Therapy. I never went though.

I kept hearing how exercise always helps with depression, so I gave that a go. It seems to be doing me some good. I've even joined a gym - something I swore I'd never do. :S

I don't like talking about the subject all that much. It's very hard trying to describe depression to someone who has never been through it. So I just keep shtoom. Wave

Exercise makes you happy. Fact

When you cycle, swim, run, or carry out any other form of strenuous endurance exercise, your pituitary gland releases substantial quantities of 'endorphins', chemicals which can block sensations of pain and produce overall feelings of euphoria. Endorphins are known to attach to 'receptors' on the outer surfaces of brain cells, acting like chemical keys which fit into locks. If enough endorphin is inserted into the outer 'keyhole' of a nerve cell, that cell is unlikely to convey pain messages to the conscious part of the brain.

-http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/0430.htm

Quote: Tim Walker @ December 6 2008, 2:06 AM GMT

The problem with these internet forums is that whenever a serious issue is raised, you realise that most people commenting are not emotionally equipped to deal with it. Not wanting to sound pompous - I am a cynical c**t - but I find the internet (most of the time) a place to go to be surrounded with people you suspect you'd edge away from in real-life due to the stench of shit they'd eminate, sitting beside you on the bus/train/ski-lift/dodgem.

People are so bloody confident and "in-their-element" on the internet, who wouldn't have the guts to argue with my 60+ Mum (with her hip replacement and her post-modern Holocaust angst Jewishness) in real life.

Comic Book Guy from 'The Simpsons' is possibly the most satirical character in the show. Most... depressively-futile-character... ever!

a) This is a comedy forum you tosser
(b)'The "General, General Thread" can be used for random nonsense undeserving of its own thread.' Quoteth from the moderator.
(c) If you don't like the people on here f**k off.
(d) I have met quite a few of the people on here. Have you? Don't character assassinate people you haven't met just because you think you know best. Cos you most certainly don't.
(e) If you want to argue face to face mate I don't have a real problem with that.
(f) I don't like you.

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