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Redefining comedy?

Read this in The Sunday Times yesterday. It was part of a feature titled 'What's the Big Idea?'...."Sixteen experts identify the key concepts that redefining the arts."

On comedy Richard Herring said:
"The internet will change comedy. People willmake TV-quality programmes, put them on the internet, get advertsing, then sell them to television. my weekly podcast with Andrew Collins can be heard within an hour of being recorded and is downloaded by 20,000 people. With radio, it takes six months to persuade someone to put it on.

Comedians are always pushing back the boundaries. Some do it for shock value, others as satire. Islam is the new thing it's dangerous to talk about. The comedians of the 1980s were at the forefront of changing attitudes to sexism and racism. Now that most people accept equality, you can mess about with it. People will do jokes about race and rape. They might sound straight out of Bernard Manning's joke book, but they're delivered with a different spin. "

Lucy Lumsden, BBC Comedy Controller:
"The Office made hearing laughter and having obvious jokey moments seem really odd. We're coming through that, and have sitcoms with Omid Djalili and Miranda Hart that have a big comic persona at their heart.

To a certain extent, comedy catches the spirit of the moment, but often it works by opposing it. It can be the thing you didn't really know you wanted, like Gavin and Stacey. If we had tried to predict that, we probably would have come unstuck.

I'm missing the stronger subjects and the stronger ways we dealt with them. I want to make sure we can look the latest taboo in the eye and do a comedy about it. It takes a brave creative spirit to make people laugh, let alone also make them think.

Lucy Lumsden is BBC TV Controller of Comedy Commissioning.

Quote: Dolly Dagger @ December 1 2008, 11:18 AM GMT

I'm missing the stronger subjects and the stronger ways we dealt with them. I want to make sure we can look the latest taboo in the eye and do a comedy about it.

In today's lilly-livered climate, and with an increasingly spineless BBC, I doubt very much whether we're going to get much in the way of taboo breaking comedy anytime soon.

Yeah, I can't see that happening either.

And what is supposed to be so different about Gavin & Stacey too? Because it's not as cynical or doesn't have as much comedy of embarrassement?

Quote: Dolly Dagger @ December 1 2008, 1:44 PM GMT

And what is supposed to be so different about Gavin & Stacey too? Because it's not as cynical or doesn't have as much comedy of embarrassement?

Sort of, it doesn't really have any monsters either, it is just warm-hearted through out. Its a sitcom about love really. Family love, friendship love and boy-girl love.

James Corden pissed me off in a radio interview when he went on about how great Gavin & Stacey was because everyone is nice in it. He said he never got comedies that featured horrid people being nasty because in real life people wouldn't be friends with or have relationships with people like that. He seems to very little vision or experience of human nature.

Yeah and it depends on your angle. A lot of comedies use an unpleasant person(s) as the main antagonist, whilst some (G&S, Royale Family etc.) use life as the main antagonist. There's room for all but sometimes we get too much of one.

Nothing polarises opinion so much as comedy -- especially situation comedy. For every one who likes My Hero, Mr Bean or Coming of Age there's another who... well, doesn't.

Stating the bleeding obvious :$

...but what's interesting is that it's possible to loathe say, Rowan Atkinson as Mr Bean but worship him as Blackadder.

No accounting for taste then and really, no-one knows anything beyond what they like -- pundits and public alike.

So to sum it up; Richard Herring reckons that if you make your own comedy and put it on the internet it could end up on telly.

Lucy Lumsden wants sitcoms about strong subjects dealt with in strong ways. Mmmm. Do you reckon that would get past writersroom?

Yeah, YouTube, great, but isn't it a bit like vanity publishing? There's your book, you wrote it and now it's published. You might even sell a few hundred copies, but it's somehow not *real* publishing is it? (Erm, rhetorical.)

As for Writersroom, if posts in other threads on here are anything to go by there's a simple answer in one syllable...

Quote: Bourbish @ December 1 2008, 4:39 PM GMT

Yeah, YouTube, great, but isn't it a bit like vanity publishing? There's your book, you wrote it and now it's published. You might even sell a few hundred copies, but it's somehow not *real* publishing is it? (Erm, rhetorical.)

As for Writersroom, if posts in other threads on here are anything to go by there's a simple answer in one syllable...

Unlikely?

If it wasn't for YouTube I'd still be dreaming of comedy writing instead of doing it. I've said it before but there's no more powerful way of putting an idea / character / whatever across than actually making something and sticking it up on YouTube. I owe my every success, (however small) to it.

I owe my financial success to your tube.

Quote: Lee Henman @ December 1 2008, 4:58 PM GMT

If it wasn't for YouTube I'd still be dreaming of comedy writing instead of doing it. I've said it before but there's no more powerful way of putting an idea / character / whatever across than actually making something and sticking it up on YouTube. I owe my every success, (however small) to it.

Link please Perry.

Quote: Dolly Dagger @ December 1 2008, 2:25 PM GMT

James Corden pissed me off

Why say any more?

Quote: Godot Taxis @ December 1 2008, 5:11 PM GMT

Link please Perry.

http://uk.youtube.com/

Quote: Dolly Dagger @ December 1 2008, 11:18 AM GMT

Read this in The Sunday Times yesterday. It was part of a feature titled 'What's the Big Idea?'...."Sixteen experts identify the key concepts that redefining the arts."

The Sunday Times is of course the newspaper that sacked Don McCullin, which is a bit like Steve McClaren sacking Pele. Key art concepts are probably something they're better off not discussing, with or without the aid of sixteen experts.

Quote: Marc P @ December 1 2008, 5:11 PM GMT

http://uk.youtube.com/

Did you just send me a random link?

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